Exploring the Power of Mind and Technology with Dr Patrick Porter

Meet Dr Patrick Porter

Patrick K. Porter, Ph.D. is an award-winning author, educator, consultant, entrepreneur, and speaker. With 20 years of experience operating the largest self-help franchise in the world, he has become a highly sought-after expert within the personal improvement industry, having sold over 3 million of his self-help products worldwide.

Dr. Porter has been on the cutting edge of brainwave entrainment technology for 32 years. His team was voted the “Best New Health App” at 2019 Consumer Electronic Show. His newest brain-training platform, BrainTap, is distinctively designed to activate the brain’s neuroplasticity. The BrainTap headset uses light & sound technology in combination with Dr. Porter’s proprietary guided visualization audio-sessions to help people achieve brain fitness, overcome stress, lose weight, stop smoking, manage pain, accelerate learning, enjoy superb sleep and make any number of lifestyle improvements.

He is the author of the award-winning bestseller, Awaken the Genius, Mind Technology for the 21st Century, Discover the Language of the Mind, Thrive in Overdrive, How to Navigate Your Overloaded Lifestyle, among others.

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Podcast transcript:

Welcome back urban monk podcast Dr. Pedram Shojai talking about gadgets. Uh, there’s the good, the bad and the ugly. I, uh, if you’ve known me for a while, know that I have a love hate with the gadgets. I think that one’s consciousness needs to turn around, to become aware of. One’s eternal. Self. That said some of these gadgets are pretty cool.

And some of these gadgets help us come home quicker. So long as we’re not practicing idolatry so long as we’re not giving too much credit to the gadget so that we can build our own agency, we can build our own capacity of introspection reflection and wake up upon our own light, right. Turn that light around.

So in that light, um, here’s gadget. I actually like, uh, Dr. Porter has been working in this space for a long time. And, uh, this one I’ve been playing with and I think it’s pretty cool. So enjoy the podcast.

Dr Pedram Shojai:  Well, Dr. Porter, thank you for being here. I’m excited to have this conversation.

Patrick Porter: Well, thanks for having me. It’s great to be here.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Yeah, so I, uh, love the, the tech, right? I think that the tech sometimes gets overplayed, sometimes gets, uh, you know, doesn’t get its fair share of, uh, media coverage. Um, I. I come from a history where, you know, I was interning with the Drake Institute back at uc in UCLA days in the nineties.

Dr Pedram Shojai: I studied with Barry Sterman, like, I love this stuff. Um, I geek out on this stuff. Um, and a lot of it. Has been, um, hemis, syn hollow sync, uh, the technology that’s come and gone. I think Robert Monroe was kinda a seminal player in this. A lot of it was just audio. And I love that you’re playing with the optic stem.

Dr Pedram Shojai: I love that you’re playing with kind of multiple levels on this and, um, want to really explore this with the audience. Um, but first I, I, I want ’em to get to know you. Like how did you come to this? Like where, you know, what’s your history, what’s your background?

Patrick Porter: Yeah, well my professional background is I’ve got a degree in psychology from, uh, Louisiana Baptist, Christian, and, uh, but my. Real background started when I was 12 and my dad became a Silva Method, uh, uh, seminar leader. He was one of the first in the country, and we had the rights to all of Michigan.

Patrick Porter: So I spent my childhood setting up chairs and helping my dad do seminars using the Silva Sound, which is an iso chronic tone, which we didn’t know that at the time. They just, it was a weird sound that people would listen to when we meditate to go to Alpha, which is usually the neutral of the brain, the meditative place that people want to go. So that, that got me into it. And then I went to school for electronic. And not ever gonna do anything my dad did. But you know, as things bring you around to different stories, I started helping with seminars and kind of got bit by seeing people make improvements in their lives. And then I worked with a company back in the eighties, uh, 1985.

Patrick Porter: We started, it’s called Light and Sound Research, where we took the Monroe Institutes, uh. Uh, Hemi Syn, which is their brand of binaural beats. And we worked with a doctor out of Russia and we created our own algorithm, uh, program. And then we were looking at how could we do the same thing with, with light, which we can get into a little bit later.

Patrick Porter: And then when that company, uh. Kind of faded out because it basically was ahead of its time. I took it over and started a franchise company. I grew that to 108 locations around the United States and Canada. Sold that in 2002, and then kinda semi-retired, just was out there speaking and doing things. And then in 2013 when, um. My, uh, my agreement with them was done and they had finished paying me off, and they, they kind of faded away because I think it was an outdated model. I wanted to reinvigorate this technique because, uh, we were the first ones to ever build a light and sound machine. It was called the Mc Square back in the eighties, and we’ve, I’ve had 16 different ones that I’ve created, and I wanted to see how can I take the tech and miniaturize it and put it into a headset and make it affordable and still, I mean, back then we charged about.

Patrick Porter: $450. So we’re still pretty much in the same price range, uh, even today. Um, my goal, of course, is to better a billion brains. So in order to do that, uh, and now fortunately for me, uh. We do a lot of work with research facilities like the All Aims Institute of Medical Sciences and Brazil universities, and in the ones here in the United States, proving out how people can change the brain using ancient traditions and modern technology.

Patrick Porter: So that’s kind of my background and I’ve written nine books and I have over 3000 products that are sold around the world.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Love it. Love it. So let’s go to the elemental. Let’s start from the foundation. For someone who’s has no idea about this, let’s start with, you know, Delta Theta Alpha. Like, let’s go. Brainwave 1 0 1 so that we can kind of, uh, explain the thesis really.

Patrick Porter: Right. So our brain, when we’re, when we’re born, obviously it’s going to, if everybody, if your brain’s normal, you’re gonna have five primary brainwaves.

Patrick Porter: There’s a lot more than that, but we’ll just keep it to five and maybe go to six if, if we need to. But the one that most people hang out in all the time is supposed to be beta. Uh, that should be 45% of your everyday awakened state. Um. What we’re finding, and that’s, we call that the reactionary mind. So if you have too much beta, you become reactionary.

Patrick Porter: Which means, you know, when somebody says, Hey, I’m on my last good nerve, and they, they don’t have anywhere else to put their emotional energy, it’s because, uh, beta takes a lot of energy. That’s why when you’re, when you’re doing something physical, you, you get exhausted. And then so when you drop out of that into alpha, which is a powerful state for creativity and meditation and, uh. We find that when you hit the 10 hertz frequency, that’s, that’s the neutral to the brain. That was the one that Silva really focused on, that you get this gamma burst and this delta burst, which I’ll talk about in a moment, but it, it actually regulates the brain. It’s like the brain knows when you get to that place, it knows how to fix itself.

Patrick Porter: So if there’s something wrong with all the other brainwaves, it kind of, it, it goes to work the innate intelligence of our body. And so this brainwave called alpha is, is stimulated. Uh, when we’re doing something creative. We’re in love. Um. But we also found that candles, for instance, flicker, all fires flicker at 10 hertz frequency. So that means that the mirror neurons that are located in our body, every cell has one. And then we have these, we have two sets of mirror neurons. One that’s going to internalize and one’s gonna externalize our environment, and that’s what’s gonna change our. Epigenetic profile every 40 seconds. But what we found was through this frequency following response, which isn’t the science I created, it’s been around forever, the the brainwaves will sink.

Patrick Porter: So for instance, when you set by the ocean, your brain is gonna sink to 10 hertz frequency because the ocean has a resident frequency of 10 hertz. Then if so, that’s why people say, Hey, I love the ocean, or they love being out gardening. When you go to the earth, you know a lot of people are missing out on that earthing feature that.

Patrick Porter: Clint Oprah talks about, and a lot of people are talking about today, or you know, they’re not getting out doing, you know, Tai chi in the morning or yoga outside on their mat or something, you know, so they’re not getting that grounding. So we have this energy coursing through our veins that actually prevents us, uh. We can get into this a little bit deeper maybe, but most people are running around with three to four volts of energy when we should be zero point. You know, that’s what, you know, the, we should have zero energy, basically. We should be like a, a tube. The energy should flow through us, not not influencing us.

Patrick Porter: Uh, it can influence us, of course, but we wanna be more in a state of flow. And so when you’re in alpha, you’re in more that state of flow. That’s why when you’re, you know, around people you love and appreciate doing things you love, you’re usually in that state of alpha. Um, we call that your intuitive mind. Now your brain should be about 30% alpha. While we’re awake, so that way you can, you have a problem in beta, you solve it in the alpha, and then Alpha delivers it back and it uses, in the brain, we would say it would transact in the hippocampus or something like that. So actually it’s about six different regions of the brain.

Patrick Porter: But to keep it simple, we’ll, we’ll say that. And then if we drop down a little bit, there’s another brainwave state that is very hard to get to for most people. It takes a lot of practice meditation. Usually you need an instructor or somebody to teach you how to do it. It’s called theta. Now, every person on earth goes in and out of theta, hopefully every day, a few times, uh, especially in the morning when you’re waking up and at night when you’re going to sleep. Uh, but what we’re finding in the world today, we’ve done about 30,000 brain scans. Most, most adults have zero theta or very, it’s not even, it’s not even measurable. You should have about 10% of your brain. In theta, we call theta your inventive mind. So when you, when you read about all these great inventors, they’re always getting this intuitive breakthroughs. From Theta, you know, it’s coming from their subconscious or their unconscious to their conscious mind. Now what we also know, because when we’ve, we’ve measured the brains of gurus and things in India with the all Indian Institute medical sciences, that these gurus just drop into theta, like it’s nobody’s business.

Patrick Porter: That’s where they go. And then, then once they get into that theta, the 7.8 hertz frequency, which just happens to be the Schumann frequency of the earth, once they’re sinking with the earth, they get this hyperbolic state of gamma. Yeah, basically their brain jumps into gamma. So before I talk about Delta, I’ll talk about Gamma for a minute because 10 years ago people thought gamma was just associated with schizophrenics and people that know what they’re doing.

Patrick Porter: And then they started measuring monks and they’re saying, Hey, in Wisconsin they, they’re the ones who did the most breakthrough research on the monks when they meditated. And they were wondering, how can these guys sit in the snow chant? And the snow melts around them, you know what’s going on. And what they didn’t realize, and now it’s proving, is that we are biological beings.

Patrick Porter: That our feet, we we’re basically light beings or electrical beings, that the currents of energy and nutrition come more from light than they do from the foods we’re consuming. And from the pranic air, the air that breathing and things of that nature. And these monks had a way to make. I guess energy out of seemingly nothing but their bodies.

Patrick Porter: Were creating this energy, and we can measure that now through a TP, you know, protocols and things like that, but most people don’t have. If they have gamma, it’s a very low amount. When we do find somebody with high Gamma, like over 6% of their brain’s in gamma, usually they’re a spiritual teacher or they’re a meditator, or they’re someone who’s a hands-on healer. Now I’ve had some people that I’ve measured, uh, that were. Uh, like spiritual, uh, gurus or whatever you wanna call them, uh, they had a 43% gamma walking around. And so that means they were pretty much not in this world, but they were, they were in the world, but they weren’t in the world. You know what I mean?

Patrick Porter: So their brain was basically tapping into a whole different level of reality, because you can think of that as, uh. When I say hyperbolic, I mean when you’re doing high level physics, like, uh, a, a basketball player, for instance, when he is Dr. When he’s in the flow and he’s, he’s passing the ball, making those shots, that’s high level physics and he is doing it while he is running. That’s not something that, um, most neuroscientists would tell you. That’s, that’s pretty impossible. That’s why there’s so few people that can do it, you know, when you, when you think about it. So when most people, their gamma will collapse because of fear. And anxiety and stress and things of that nature.

Patrick Porter: Because the more fear, the more stress, the more anxiety, the more you gravitate toward Delta. And Delta is a, of course, it’s a brainwave. We all need, we need a lot of it at night while we sleep at least an hour or two to, to score good on these little metrics that we have that aren’t always true, but they’re at least give us a good baseline. Uh, sleep is not what people think When we’ve done our sleep studies. Sleep is about. Effective sleep, not length of time sleep. Uh uh, the government has actually proved we only need four hours of sleep, but you need to have two hours of deep sleep and two hours of REM sleep, which nobody does. So that’s not really feasible.

Patrick Porter: So usually five and a half to six hours sleep is. For longevity. That’s what they prove it. But Delta, what we find when we’re measuring people’s brains, Delta is the unconscious state. So when you hear the staying, the masses are asleep, which is one of the common sayings people say, I wouldn’t say they’re asleep, but they certainly wanna be because their brain’s so inflamed.

Patrick Porter: You know, and we find a lot of inflammation, maybe traumatic brain injuries, and uh, I’m very fortunate because over the years I’ve been involved with people who we’ve created technology that can measure these things. When I started, there was no, somebody said, did you go to school for neuroscience? I go, I. Well, back in the seventies, there was no neuroscience department, you know? So, so it’s like, no, I didn’t, but, uh, I’ve hired neuroscientists like my, my, my, uh, science officer has a degree in neuroscience and, uh, you know, so he’s filled me in on all that. But the, the reality is that now we’re able to prove things.

Patrick Porter: And what we’re finding that kind of rings true for what you do is that it’s almost seeming like this quantum physics is becoming spiritual physics, because the, there’s a real fine line between. Who we are and what we express as, um, we’re not what we think we are. I mean, we’re not what we’re taught in schools, so. Uh, what we’re finding is that the, when you slow down the brainwaves, you increase this energy field. Now that the, the National Institute of Health actually has said, we have a biofield, which when you go to India, or of course when you’re studying, uh, Buddhist philosophies and things, they talk about this energy field and you can feel it when you meditate.

Patrick Porter: But now our government is actually saying, we have this. So before you wouldn’t hear that in America, but now they’re saying they know that. There’s this field of energy that surrounds every living thing. We know it’s, it surrounds everything, but they’re saying every living thing and it affects how our biology is. And so, uh, these brainwaves, think of them like wifi networks and uh, I’ll just give one example and then we can go into questions if you want. But let’s say that you have a child on the autism spectrum. We know if we did a brain scan with ’em, I could bet, you know, all the money I’ll make. That they have less than 5% alpha. In fact, chances are they have zero. And what that means is they’re not able to make the transition between beta, which is when they’re stemming, they’re trying to throw off all that energy. ’cause the body. We’ll collect energy. We have something called chromo forums on every cell, and that’s, it’s collecting energy through frequencies, through sound, through light. And that’s why chanting works. You know, when we, when we talk about chanting, somebody says, what’s going on with chanting? Well, you’re creating a vibratory field of energy and your cells are filling up with energy. And our cells are very different than people. They don’t hoard the energy. They share the energy.

Patrick Porter: It’s called photobiomodulation. And even though it comes as sound, everything is converted at some point to energy. So at, at a very fundamental level, we’re all energy. So the what, what we’re talking about here is how do we convert energy into health and healing? And right now, keeping it in the brain spectrum, your brain across the frontal lobe should have 10.1 volts across it. Just to give everybody an idea, I measured somebody a week ago at the clinic that only had five volts and they were functioning like a normal person. Yeah, that means they were running around with a half tank of gas and it, so if they wanted to drive across town, that might be all the energy they have.

Patrick Porter: By the time they get there, they’re spent and they’re gonna have to do something biologically to keep themselves going, which they did. They were addicted to coffee, sugar, tea, you know, whatever they could to stimulate their body, because you can either do it through your electrical system, which is what we recommend.

Patrick Porter: That’s where breath work comes in, yoga, tai chi, dance. Anything you can do to get your body moving and breathing. Is going to increase brain health and mitochondrial health. And, but uh, because people set all the time, they, uh, in fact they say that sitting is the new smoking. You probably heard that before. The reality is it’s worse than smoking because what do smokers do now? They get kicked outta the house. They gotta go out and stand outside and walk and smoke. ’cause they’re not allowed in the house. So at least they’re standing up, walking, you know? So when we think about the brain, our brain is designed to. You know, we need to be doing something. So, uh, and you know, when I went to Wang, which I studied there with the, the Daoist priest, and, and we, we did, we learned Tai Chi there, but I was only there for six weeks. So I’m not an expert, but I, I went there for the experience ’cause I wanted to see it. They learned, they do six to eight hours. Of martial arts every day, and if it’s raining or snowing, they learn the DAO and by the time they’re 18, they know the Dao, right? So their first thing though to learn is they know that all information is frequency driven. So we don’t learn the way that you think we learn, you know, or our way the, the educational system tells us we learn through bio forte exchange.

Patrick Porter: So when, that’s why we need a master, right? We need somebody who knows, or a mentor, they say, because we’re gonna be learning from. The unseen forces through, through this light exchange that they now know is, is happening and it, it affects the brainwave. So that child that I was talking about, that, that might not have Alpha, what we did in a study with Jaquita Handy out of uh, orange County, California was we did a study where we showed as soon as it took about six weeks, but we got these kids to do the alpha training. It takes about 10 minutes a day. By the time when they got up to, um, six weeks, 90% of them had 23% or more elf activity. They started speaking and that was a trigger for us. So, and I, I told Jaquita, I said, uh, you know, this might be why people have fear of public speaking. Because when you, when you stand up and you have stress, your alpha frequency collapses. Just like the gamma does, basically you become reactionary. So it’s, it’s almost like an animal. When you get, when you, if you’re, if you’re speaking about something you know and love and people respect you and you know they love you and they’re gonna care for you, you’ll speak your mind. But if you think people are gonna judge you or not, you know, and that negative emotion causes the brainwaves to collapse.

Patrick Porter: So in order to keep, and that takes practice, that’s where meditation comes in. Relaxation, mindfulness, or in our case, brain tap, whatever you’re gonna use to expand brain consciousness. This.

Patrick Porter: So there’s a lot there. Um, I wanna unpack these areas now, um, a little bit at a time.

Patrick Porter: Mm-Hmm.

Dr Pedram Shojai: There’s a study I remember looking at back in the early turn of the century where, um, a guy, I actually, as soon as I read the study, I hired the guy. I brought him, built him a brain lab in my Mm-Hmm. Um. So we had a sleep lab and a brain lab.

Dr Pedram Shojai: I was fascinated by this stuff, but the study was really interesting. It, it was looking at Franciscan nuns and Tibetan monks and mathematicians and say, look, whenever you’re, you’re having an aha moment, press the button. Whenever you’re in the presence of the Lord, press the button. Whenever you’re in Nirvana, press the button.

Dr Pedram Shojai: So we could just sample what it is that you’re talking about. We don’t know we’re researchers. Right? And the, and, and they also did it with Iowa Seros in that, in that state. It all led to the very same gamma wave of coherence, right? And so the theory that these spikes of gamma, you know, originally schizophrenics, uh, we didn’t understand it.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Um, you know, what we don’t understand is crazy, of course,

Patrick Porter: Mm-Hmm.

Dr Pedram Shojai: right? And then, and then we started to look at it and say, wait, wait a minute, this. Gamma wave frequency is very different, but you know, big, big wave, very different than the other stuff that you see in the brain. If we could, you know, show brainwave charts, it’s, it’s, it’s a completely different beast.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Seems to somehow, and this is in the early two thousands now, we have much better understanding of what’s going on with the microtubules. And now there’s, you know, headlines saying that we’re connected to, uh, the entire universe through some sort of quantum mechanism. That was theorized in the early two thousands, and now we’re starting to understand that there is some sort of quantum consciousness that we are able to tap into.

Dr Pedram Shojai: But the point that I wanna make here is the presupposition is you’re not gonna have those gamma spikes unless you can get into theta for the most part.

Patrick Porter: Mm-Hmm.

Dr Pedram Shojai: So you gotta be able to pop in the clutch with Alpha and go down to theta. To be able to access that and I wanna, I wanna explore that with you a little bit because that right there is where lazy meditators never get anywhere, right?

Dr Pedram Shojai: That’s where people who don’t do the work, can’t access the thing.

Patrick Porter: Yeah. Well, what we found, uh, and we’ve studied, you know, thousands of people over the years, is that when you don’t have light stimulus through the mitochondria, ’cause the mitochondria’s job is to absorb light and transmit light. There’s more mitochondria in the eyes by square centimeter, centimeter than any other place.

Patrick Porter: And the brain has the most mitochondria. So if we wanna bring energy into the brain to keep it awake. Most people have not really researched yoga. They think it’s an exercise, but yoga was designed to get people ready to meditate, so you had the energy to meditate. Most people don’t have the energy in their brain to meditate, so what they’re doing is they’re sleeping and that’s not meditating. You know, it’s, it’s more of an awakened state. That’s why Ann Wise, who was one of our researchers, she wrote a book called The Awakened Mind, and she’s the one who came up with those different percentages I was talking about because she went around and, and measured like gurus and people like that well before I did when they came out with a device called the Mind Mirror that could measure these things.

Patrick Porter: It was one of the first devices to measure EEG that was available to the public, not a university brand, but what we find is, and you’re exactly right, if you’re not able to get into. Alpha, 10 hertz, there’s a burst that happens then, but it’s not that big. You don’t really see it. But when you get to theta, when you get to that 7.8, and this reminds me when I went to, uh, Ames, Bo Paul the first time, Dr.

Patrick Porter: Baron, who we’ve done, uh, I was part of a team last year. We were voted the uh. Research of the year because we proved out pranayama yoga. They could do the same thing as brain tap. Right? So you can, but the thing was you had to do it three times a day and you had to do, you basically, it had to become almost like religion.

Patrick Porter: You had to do it every morning, every afternoon, every evening, and you could correct your brain health with breath and, but when I first met him, he goes, you know, Porter, you’re cheating. And I said, what do you mean? He says, well, all they have to do, ’cause we took a guru, we, we measured their brain and had to do it.

Patrick Porter: And I showed him, I said, watch when this, when his brain goes across this, and we can measure across time, right time domains. As soon as they cross over that barrier, there’s like this explosion in the brain. It’s like the whole brain rewires. And it’s almost like what happens with, uh, psychedelics. And we’ll talk about that in just a minute because we’ve done some studies with that too. But what the, what we, what I said was. You ever wonder why people meditate to candles? He goes, what do you mean? I said, have you ever meditated to a candle? He said, yeah. I said, well, the reason that works is that was technology, and you could put the candle on in your brain. The mirror neurons in your brain would say, Hey, that’s 10 hertz frequency. So you could, you could do that JT meditation, right? You could do the breathing and is you’re trying to make that candle flicker or whatever, and so as you’re doing that, your brain gets in sync. And the, the people that stay awake, like you’re saying, the lazy meditators, they don’t wanna move through that pain point. They want to go to sleep ’cause they think that’s what they’re supposed to do. But becoming unconscious is easily done. You just take a baseball bat, hit yourself over the head, and you have no thoughts. That’s not meditating. You know, people think, you know, you wanna have God consciousness is what you’re talking about.

Patrick Porter: And so what, what we know is when you’re in high gamma states. Gamma is the bass drum to the, to the brain. So think of it like you can’t have a band without the bass drum, right? So all of creation has this frequency, this underlying reality of consciousness that might be called love or whatever you wanna call it, but there’s something we’re all sharing.

Patrick Porter: And then I said, when you, I said, do you ever wonder why the gurus go to the mountains and why they put all the monasteries in the mountains? He’s like, well, it’s beautiful there. I said, yeah, it’s beautiful. But also you’re sitting in a frequency generator called the Earth, which generates frequencies from wherever you’re at on the planet.

Patrick Porter: So when you’re at, when you’re at a mountaintop experience, you’re at 7.8 hertz frequency. They’re getting these explosions of consciousness because you’re in the frequent. It’s like I tell, I told him, I said, if you had a radio here and we wanted to listen to a radio station, we’d need to know the station. We can’t just have a radio. So these gurus figured out, Hey, it’s easier for me to tune into that station when I’m in that field of energy because it’s all energy. So, and then we, we would show people, even people that, now, I’m not saying that they would go to the same dimensions or the same exploration as a guru, but we could mimic their brainwaves.

Patrick Porter: And I, I tell people, I said it’s, it’s like, I could take you to Hawaii or I could tell you about Hawaii. I’d rather take you to Hawaii. So that’s what we’re talking about. So when you’re in those mountaintop experiences now, most people have had those experiences outside of the mountains because our bodies can. Kind of when, when we have that euphoric experience, our brain can do that. And I think that what happens, because obviously the definition of spiritual experience is you can’t define it. You can’t talk about it. You can’t. So that’s why they thought it was schizophrenia or something like that. ’cause these people would come back and go, I have no idea what happened to me.

Patrick Porter: There’s a, well, I’m part of the universe. I’m, and they’re going, you’re freaking nuts. You know? But now we know that we are part of the universe that, um. There’s a reason that when Banister ran the four minute mile, high schoolers were running it a year later. There’s a reason that if, uh, if a rat runs through a maze, they can’t use that maze anywhere else on the planet. You know, because it’s not just people. Everything is in sync. Everything is doing it. And now we have science that actually proves it. Which, uh, you know, and when you get, when you get universities that are usually trying to debunk things going, wow, this is pretty cool. Because also when you’re in these brainwave states. You become super conscious, you become smarter. You know, in what makes you, what makes you dumber, if you will, is the news or fear and anxiety or re or restrictive thinking, limitation thinking. And it’s, your brain is either gonna, if your brain is not evolving, which is we’re designed to evolve to the day we depart. I mean, uh, of course. If you read about some of the gurus over the years, they actually know when they’re leaving and they just say, Hey, I’m, I’m shaking this thing off and leaving. You know, uh, most people aren’t able to do that, I’d say, you know, but the reality is that they know there’s something else there.

Patrick Porter: And that’s why I think the big movement with psychedelics today is that we don’t have experiences with things we don’t have receptors for. So whether it’s OID receptors or opioid receptors, or we’re doing, um. Toads, you know, whatever the medicine is that you’re doing, those are really just giving us an experience to look into the kitchen, you know?

Patrick Porter: But the body knows how to do that without these things. But sometimes we need a little kickstart. And what we found with, um, when we, in, in Dallas, we did a, a research project with, uh, PTSD in vets and, uh, we had a number of vets that didn’t wanna use the brain tap with the psilocybin. So I told Dr.

Patrick Porter: Rosenthal, I said, let’s, let’s map some people’s brains. Now, we didn’t do it the first time ’cause some people will have a little bit of a, a catharsis when they have their first experience and we didn’t wanna measure that ’cause that wouldn’t be a real experience. But on the second time, we started measuring their brains and what we found was the average person would have this high level gamma and it looked just like. The meditator’s brains that they had in Wisconsin. When we looked at it, I said, look at this, and there’s a region right on here to the right of the brain on the, in this section, like just around the hippocampus that seems to light up when people have experiential experience. So I said, you know, let me create a series that does that.

Patrick Porter: So we have over 70 sessions now that promote gamma and that people are having psilocybin experiences with no psilocybin because it’s our brain doing it anyway. And whether it’s, and you can do this through breath work too, you know, there’s a lot of different, um, breath techniques to, to trigger DMT, which is really what we’re talking about.

Patrick Porter: So when you’re in, when you’re in theta and when you’re in gamma, your brain actually instructure your gut to make gaba. GABA is the precursor to DMT. So when these people are having these DMT kind of experiences. They make an overabundance of it. Now, some people, because of years of meditation, they’re able to just close their eyes, take a few deep breaths, and they start making this stuff, you know, and so that’s what’s happening with a good number of people.

Patrick Porter: Now, when you go into Alpha, you’re creating acetylcholine. And when you’re in Delta, you’re creating serotonin. When you’re in beta, you’re creating dopamine. You know, so basically the, that’s why I was saying these are like wifi networks now. There’s 54 neurotransmitters, so it’s doing them all at different times. But the, the reality is that like the mental health issue that people are saying today, I don’t believe it. I think it’s a physiological issue. You know, people aren’t, uh, I believe we need to have good diets. You know, you can outthink a bad diet. We need to get people up moving and breathing. You know, because if you’re not moving and breathing, your brain is gonna atrophy.

Patrick Porter: That’s what it craves. It craves oxygen and movement. And then number three, we need some kind of brain thickness. It doesn’t have to be brain tap, but it has to be some way that we’re working our brain. Because if we don’t work those neuro circuits since the moment we were born, our brain has been unplugging. People have this misconception that our brain is plugging, like we learn something and we wire up our brain. No, our brain does it by unplugging things, not by plugging them in. When we were born, we were totally plugged in. We like, we knew the, we knew the universe. And then it started saying, wait a minute, we gotta make this thing a lamp.

Patrick Porter: We gotta make this thing a computer. We gotta make this person, mommy, we gotta make this person daddy. When before it was just all energy and we were just in the sea of energy and we weren’t in these. Perceptual forms that we do because I, I, I mean, we’ve done studies with people where we’ve, we’ve given them suggestions to see people as they are. We didn’t say that this isn’t the way we are, but almost every one of ’em tells us when we tell ’em, uh, when you open your eyes, you’re gonna see people the way that they really are. So there’s a little presupposition there, but what, what they’re, what they always say is they’re all energy. Everyone’s these beautiful energy beams. And, but then as soon as we say, okay, come back, they say, everything snaps into place. And I remember one guy going, oh, I forgot we were so ugly here. You know, and I’m, I went, what? You kind of blew my mind. ’cause what are we, what are we perceiving? ’cause of the spectrum of light that’s out there in the universe today? We are, if this was the spectrum of light, you know, if we spread out our hands and we looked, that would be the spectrum. We’re, we’re like this. And we’re not even the space between my fingers. Uh, somebody put it in perspective. They said, if, if this, if all of the frequencies of light were were the Empire State Building, what we perceive in our little limited viewers of our eyes and our senses would be a piece of paper. So what else is out there? What are we not perceiving? I think that’s when we get into that high gamma, uh, in gaba when GABA’s released and we start to open up those perceptual filters. And that’s why the gurus or the enlightened ones always say, this is an illusion because this is only a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of what really is out there for us.

Patrick Porter: And it’s here, it’s right around us. You know, it’s just we’re not perceiving it.

Dr Pedram Shojai: I think that’s, um, one of the problems we have. I think culturally now with this psychedelic revolution, and there’s so many Saturday night shamans out there now, and, and you know, I, I think of the old Ramdas story where he, you know, slipped a guru, some LSD, the guy was just like, well, you don’t feel like this all time.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Like, what, what do you need? You know, like, what do you need an external stimulus for to get here? And so, you know, we, we’ve been trained in a pill for Anil.

Patrick Porter: Mm-Hmm.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Ideology. Right? That’s the world we live in. And you’d mentioned something in there that I wanna bring back because I think it’s, it’s just so central to the thesis around vitalism versus allopathy in that you had mentioned the different brainwave states release acetylcholine versus serotonin versus, um.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Whatever it is like, so we’ll line those up and correlate those. But there is a multi-billion dollar industry for the re-uptake of serotonin alone. And we will prescribe and we will get, you know, put people on this.

Patrick Porter: this

Dr Pedram Shojai: Versus teaching ’em how to fish, teaching ’em how to use that part of the brain, which is their God-given agency that will then connect them to the source of all wisdom and connect them to all the things that make them wholly independent and alive.

Patrick Porter: yeah.

Patrick Porter: And the problem is it’s not even working.

Dr Pedram Shojai: no, it there, there’s a great, there’s a great book out there called uh, uh, suggestible u where they now show 40% placebo effect and there’s no SSRI that would beat the placebo effect. And, um, we have too much serotonin. The problem is they’re too much Delta. But they’re giving them more because it’s, it’s toxic. So, yeah. I’m sorry I cut you off there. Go. Keep going.

Dr Pedram Shojai: No, but I mean, that’s, that’s really it. It’s like, it’s so as backwards that when, when you hear about it, you have to kind of scratch your head and so.

Dr Pedram Shojai: What, what are these studies showing? Like if you were to work into Alpha,

Dr Pedram Shojai: you know, most people I know will spend thousands of dollars to go to a beach instead of bringing the beach into their bodies through their brain and their breath.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Right.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Pure and simple. I need to go to Florida. I’m so wiped out. Um, and so it’s all externalized. The God-given agencies that will produce the things that solve their problems are literally a few breaths away, or some technology or some something internal. So what have you seen in terms of turnaround with people using work, meditation, brain tap, whatever, to fold back inwards

Dr Pedram Shojai: and increase their own levels of these neurotransmitters?

Patrick Porter: Yeah. First of all, the world’s greatest pharmacy is not on the drug corner drug store. It’s in our brain. We can create 30,000 different neurochemicals with a simple thought. So whether in that in breath is key to that, because the next information you need is actually in the breath that you’re gonna take.

Patrick Porter: You know, the we, we don’t need to know what’s gonna happen next because. Universal knowledge is flowing to us all the time. But most people, you know, there’s a saying, uh, spirit’s simple, but man is complex. You know, if it’s not too, if it’s not complex enough, people won’t believe it. You know, it’s gotta be really complex.

Patrick Porter: It’s gotta be really difficult, and you gotta charge a lot of money for it. Then it becomes valuable. But the reality is most things we need are free. You know, we need Dr. Sunshine. We need grounding, we need breath, we need a, we need mobility, we need healthy foods. I mean, the, it’s really simple when you break it down like that.

Patrick Porter: But the problem is. Belief systems get in the way and you know, things like that. So, but what we’ve seen in our one study, the first study that we ever presented to NIH, which was published, um, and really put BrainTap on the map, was we took a hundred people that had never meditated and we wanted to see what would happen pre and post. And we had a 39.3% in reduction in stress. In that one session, we had a 23% improvement in neurological function. Then we said, okay, if you do this three times a week. And all you have to do is put it on and go to sleep. So, I mean, it’s not like you have to do anything. ’cause people are inherently lazy. I, I tell them that this is press play to change.

Patrick Porter: You know, you don’t have to do anything ’cause the brain will learn independent of your conscious mind. In fact, your your conscious mind. A lot of people are trying to change the conscious mind. I tell ’em that’s like going into your restaurant and telling the server that you wanna prepare something in the kitchen.

Patrick Porter: You gotta go back and talk to the chef. You know, that person can try to relay the message. But it’s probably not gonna get there. And the chef’s gonna say, it is what it is. This is all you’re gonna get. You know, or the owner of the business, the owner of your business isn’t you, you, whoever you think you are, you’re not the true self. You’re the, you’re the passenger. You know? So you have to somehow get outta your own way. And, um, you know, when we think about, everybody takes ownership in everything they’ve accomplished, everything they’ve done, whatever they’re doing. When. It’s all a performance, it’s all a play. You know, by the, when it’s all over, we’re gonna take these things off and we’re gonna shake hands just like, you know, you know, and, and say, wow, that was fun.

Patrick Porter: You were the villain. I was the good guy. You know, whatever’s happening, because this isn’t the first time we’ve been through this, so in the, in the, but it, the problem is that we’re, we’re believing that we have a finite amount of time to do an infinite amount of things. And that if we don’t get it all in now, and if we don’t die with the most toys, we’re, we’re not gonna win in this life. And the, the reality is that we can have it all now because if, if you add all that stuff up, what really people want is happiness and they wanna be, I mean, once you, um, if you want to say, tap into that consciousness that surrounds all things and everything, just like they say in. Star Wars, you know, the force or whatever, but it’s, that’s a truism.

Patrick Porter: I mean, there’s something to that, that everything is progressing. You know, all religions are all headed in the same direction. They just have different ways to get there. And the, and it’s usually not the religion that’s bad, it’s the people running them, you know? So as you, as you think about what is it, what do you need to do?

Patrick Porter: So what we tell people is if you can do in the morning, so for, for instance, in the morning, it’s not the same meditation in the morning, as in the evening. Because in the morning your brain needs an SMR brainwave. That’s a brainwave between beta and alpha. That’s the one. As we get better looking and more intelligent with age, that’s the one that atrophies, that’s the one that causes our cognition to go away.

Patrick Porter: It’s the one that really controls the hippocampus and retrieves information. And so in the morning, probably the worst thing you can do for that brainwave is drink coffee. Now, I’m not saying coffee’s bad for you later in the day, but first thing in the morning, you just slept all night long. If you take a drink of coffee first before maybe a glass of water with some mineral salts in it and things like that, your brain’s gonna go, you know what?

Patrick Porter: I didn’t have to make dopamine today because they gave me, they, they triggered my cortisol, they, they triggered my dopamine, they triggered my, you know, basically you used a chemical to trigger your electrical system. So the B the brain is, would offload that. So if you give up coffee first thing in the morning, have it at 10 o’clock or 11 o’clock, whatever.

Patrick Porter: If you feel a little low, but not first thing in the morning, do some breath work first thing in the morning. Now we have over 200 sessions with breath work on brain tap. So we, we are big believers in breath work. And, uh, I studied with Yogi Bajan for five years because, you know, I, I had an experience in the hospital where I was spontaneously healed and I couldn’t figure out how it happened. So I tried to figure out, because I was Catholic and they didn’t, and it wasn’t Jesus, you know? So even though I, I’m a big believer in Jesus, obviously, and I think he was a great master, but it wasn’t Jesus that healed me. I don’t know what it was. It was God of some form. But, um, when I learned that, and then when I started doing the breath work, I started having these. Endogenous kind of experiences that people tell me they have with these psychedelics. You know, I’m having these like shamanistic experiences. I’m not even a shaman, you know, I’m, I’m just doing this breath work in the back of the temple. In the seeks are, you know, we’re doing this yoga poses and we’re doing this breath work.

Patrick Porter: And then before I know it, I’m like. Uh, somewhere else. I’m not in my body or whatever. And I couldn’t figure that out either ’cause I, no, no training and, and I wasn’t a Sikh, so they didn’t tell it to me. So I went and studied with Para Hans’s group just to learn about what the heck was happening to me, because I was really, I, I really wanted to learn.

Patrick Porter: But you know, this is something they should teach in school. You know, we should be learning this. Uh, we should be learning emotional regulation. So in the morning, we need that. In the afternoon, we did a study with Julia RN and we showed one percenters at Google and Microsoft. These were the 1% producers I. They were having, you know, they have this big burnout going on now in the tech industry. So Julia said, Hey, do you think Brain Tap will help ’em? I said, yeah, if they did a brain tap session at two o’clock in the afternoon, she says, why two o’clock? I said, well, most people don’t realize that our biological system is controlled by the pulsing star that we call the sun. That sun is actually instructing every cell of our body what to do every second of every minute, of every hour, of every day. At two o’clock every, wherever you’re at in the world, your temperature’s gonna drop two degrees. It’s when your body’s rebooting because the sun says this is the time to reboot. And so I said What they’re doing though is they’re running out and getting coffee and tea and sugar, mostly sugar, you know, do they think that’s what they need? What they need is energy that’s readily available in all the breath that they can find around them, and they need to calm down their nervous system, release the tension that’s built up because our body works like a capacitor.

Patrick Porter: It holds a charge until it discharges. And if we don’t have a healthy discharge, you know, everything is kinda like a. Orgasmic experience, we’re gonna build up this charge and we’ve gotta release it. You don’t have to be a woman to have those. Everybody does it in everything you’re doing. Like in sports, when we score touchdown, it’s a big deal.

Patrick Porter: You know, we, the big or whatever’s going on. So if you think about those cycles, so our body does that too. Uh, so we showed in that study, if they did these theta sessions in the afternoon, they’re total reboots that not only do they rebuild their energy in their body, like it feels like you get another morning. But what happened was we improved their happiness score by 43%, but we really shocked them was these were the one percenters. They got 19% better, they got 19% more work done by taking 20 minutes off by doing this meditation. And then also they’re, they didn’t, we didn’t tell ’em because when we had ’em take the scores, we had ’em take a test on depression score. All of them were clinically depressed. If they were to go to a, a typical psychologist, they would’ve been given SSRIs, which would’ve given them a sentence for depression forever in the um. But we improved their depression score by 70%, just by that one 20 minute boot reboot. And we call it a reboot because if you think about cultures around the world before television, before all the technology, we still take naps in the middle of the afternoon, you know, siestas and and things like that.

Patrick Porter: We don’t do that anymore. Because we are, you know, we’re too busy being busy, you know, I like the Dalai Lama says, you don’t have time to meditate, then do it twice a day. You know? That’s the way it works. And then of course, then in the evening, and that, that’s a theta training. In the evening when you’re going to bed, or in the evening when you’re doing your down, your downregulating, your nervous system, we need to do some Delta training. Because what happens, what we find when we’re doing our sleep studies, most people’s brains do a flip, a 360 flip. So all day long they’re in this high delta. Then when nighttime comes, they’re laying in bed. Their brain makes this flip to beta because now they no longer have the inflammation in their body.

Patrick Porter: They’re resting, they’re, they’re not moving, they’re just laying there. And now the brain wakes up and says, okay, deal with all these things. And of course, they can’t sleep. Two thirds of the world isn’t sleeping. So we, we teach the brain to, we, we teach it to go through the different, what we really need to do to, to build up that bank account of neurotransmitters is we need to have a slow burn.

Patrick Porter: It’s not like you can’t just jump from beta to delta. You’ve gotta go slowly through that and it’s a cycle. You know, that’s why when you look at your oral rings for those who have those, or your BioTraps or whatever, whoops, or whatever you’re using, you’ll see that your sleep cycle’s like this, if your sleep cycle’s right, every time you go to the low, you should have a little delta burst. That’s when your brain is detoxing. The only time your the glial lymphoma system opens up to detox the brain is during level four sleep. So if you’re not getting at least an hour of level four sleep. You’re not detoxing your brain appropriately. At least that’s the minimum that they should say. And then, uh, so if you do those three times a day, so what we did with these people, we showed ’em if you could do it at least three times a day, one of those times.

Patrick Porter: Now, if you do it three times a day, like we did in our depression study, I mean in our dementia study, we took every person in our study off dementia scale in six weeks. They did it three times a day because they needed to. Their brain was dysregulated. But for the average person. If they were to do one of those meditations.

Patrick Porter: So it’s a different meditation during different times of the day, not a different meditation for all times of the day. And now you can still do your own meditation. Like I, I studied with, um, the Maharishi, so I still do my TM meditation in the morning for an hour. So I just put on, now I have an hour long gamma session. I just put it on, I do my TM and I get, I go, I get blown away every morning, so you might as well fill up my DMT fills too. You know, so, so all those things. So, but you have to figure out, so you can use music only, you can use words. Now. One thing about words, if you’re not, if you’re not psychologically sound, you probably need to change your internal dialogue. You know, 80% of the internal voices in most people are negative. So we need to change that, and that’s just a matter of our. Basically our biology. I mean, it wasn’t too long ago we were being chased around as part of the dinner of, of the universe, you know? So now we’re the, we’re the top dogs now, but the memories are still built in or chemically coated. Into our DNA. So we need to unwind those and become more optimistic and more positive about our thinking. In other words, I tell people, if you’re looking at life as a series of threats, your, your epigenetic system or your, your DNA is gonna downregulate to prove you. Right? If you are optimistic and see life as a series of challenges, your epigenetic system is going to upregulate your DNA and you’re gonna operate from the highest level.

Patrick Porter: And that’s where meditation comes in, in, in these kind of practice.

Dr Pedram Shojai: There’s, you know, mother Theresa, I think said it best. I won’t go to an anti-war rally, but I’ll go to a one

Dr Pedram Shojai: and something you said there, I think is a fundamental pivot. That as a society we need to look at in the way our medical system is oriented and the way our, just the entire infrastructure of the economy really is.

Dr Pedram Shojai: If I want, if I’m overweight, I’m thinking lose weight, not fat. Not fat. Instead of build muscle.

Dr Pedram Shojai: If

Dr Pedram Shojai: I’m feeling depressed, I’m thinking, oh no, not depression. Gimme something for the depression instead of flexing the other way towards happiness and towards bliss, and that kind of primal misorientation of not, not versus go to the, the Mm-Hmm. think has defined Ali, I mean, look, it’s trillions of dollars and you know, it’s a wonderful business, but it doesn’t fix people.

Dr Pedram Shojai: right.

Dr Pedram Shojai: And so I think the, the solutions we’re talking about here, you know, oh my God, I have to do something three times a day. But it, you know, solved 70% of depression cases in a quick, quick burst of a study and, you know, filled their buckets and did all these wonderful things, which everyone says they want.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Um, but it requires you to put on some goggles three times a day or do some Qigong, or do some, you know,

Dr Pedram Shojai: work, breath work. And so that orientation, I think. I just wanna emphasize for my listeners is a really fundamentally important one. Um, and hear that, right? Hear that, because going towards bliss versus going away from depression is a very different thing.

Dr Pedram Shojai: I.

Patrick Porter: Yeah.

Dr Pedram Shojai: And we’re talking about a paradigm shift here in that, in that capacity. So I wanna, um, I do wanna talk about the technology of BrainTap ’cause we’re running out of time in our hour here and I wanna make sure, uh, I understand, my listeners understand. So we’re talking about fo stem, you talk, you know, so I think I, you know, my guess would be the chroma fours are getting affected.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Um, and there is some thinking along those lines. Um, it’s frequency based in terms of how it pulses. I’ve played with it. Also the audio has very specific tones that bring folks into frequency. So what’s the, this wraparound method of like eyes and ears and kind of wrapping the senses to, you know, bring on a brainwave state?

Dr Pedram Shojai: Like how does that work?

Patrick Porter: work? Right. So when you think about when we’re, when we’re positioning ourself in space and time, we do that through our senses, right?

Patrick Porter: What we see, what we hear, what we smell, what we feel. So if we can take whatever, uh, we can. Unlike sensory deprivation, we’re loading the senses with the right frequency. So the eyes actually, what’s happening in the right ear is happening in the left eye. What’s happening in the left eye is happening in the right ear, so the brain has always crossed lateral training, and that’s how it works, like binaural beats.

Patrick Porter: For the listeners that don’t know how it works, I could put a 300 hertz frequency in one ear and a 310 in the other, their brain would hear a phantom sound of 10 hertz. Well, that’s happening with everything. You know, our, our body in, unfortunately what happens in our society is we’re doing everything with our right hand or we’re doing everything with our left hand, and we’re not, we’re not building.

Patrick Porter: That’s why in martial arts, they always have you do both, you know, anything you do on the right side, you do on the left side and things like that. So when you, when you think about, uh, brain tap, if we take out all the perceptual filters that are saying, Hey, I’m this. Room I’m in right now, and this is what it is, but I put light sensors in there. That light, the body is going to absorb that IC energy because that’s what the cells do. And then once one cell’s filled, it’s gonna use photobiomodulation. The eyes are not just attached to the brain. Your eyes are actually brain matter. So we’re doing, we’re delivering light energy to the brain that needs to do work. So when we, we know that in meditation. This is just the average person, not the master meditators, but the average person, when they close their eyes, they shut down 30% of their brain, even when they’re trying to meditate. So that’s why they have their monkey mind goes crazy. ’cause now the lower level mind is now in control, not in their their, and it’s the executive function that shuts down.

Patrick Porter: So if we introduce Foic energy to the retinal flashing. Which has been well re rail researched even before me. Then we keep the frontal lobe operating, but it doesn’t have anything to do it. It says, what’s this light energy? Why am I getting this flash? Why am I getting this flash? So then it starts to synchronize and it puts it into a hyper state of awareness.

Patrick Porter: Now we introduce light into the ears because all the, all the blood in your body passes through your ears every, uh, three to four minutes, the rest of your body, every 45 seconds. So it’s a great way. The way light works in the body, not only does it be absorbed by the cells, but the hemoglobin is designed to absorb light energy and and it then it delivers it to the cells that are dying called apoptosis.

Patrick Porter: So if we wanna get energy into the brain to do the work, we’re gonna put it in through the ears. You can also put it in through the nose and things like that too. Or you can wear a skull cap and things like that, which we use at times, but we’re trying to get energy in just to do work because when we do the brainwave training, when you start to hear the sound, the brain is going to try to figure it out.

Patrick Porter: And I’ll just use an analogy, some people are very sensitive to 5G. Right. The, this is a big thing out there. And the reason for that is our cells are used to the light of our sun in the pulsing of our sun. So, and that’s earth frequencies. If you and I were on a spaceship coming to Earth, it would be between 0.5 and a hundred. You know, a hundred would be like. An earthquake or something, you know, we, it would, we would run from that and we and animals know that. And they’re not around earthquakes. They’re not around tsunamis because they’re still in tune with the earth. People aren’t. So they go running out after tsunami waves and things like that, you know, so, but if we’re in tune with the planet, we have this frequency response. So if we want to change the frequency of the body, we have to introduce those frequencies. But when you have a 5G tower that’s delivering a 50 million pulses per second. Our body’s trying to figure out what is that trying to tell my cells to do because it thinks it’s coming from. The sun because it doesn’t know, it doesn’t know that there’s this tower sitting there and we’re there.

Patrick Porter: What, what really is weird to me is that if, if, if our government or these agencies really wanted our help, we could be broadcasting noje frequencies, the seven frequencies of the body that create healing. Those could be every two minutes. A tower could change its frequency and we could be getting healed. We could have a whole healing network all over the planet, and people could be in health and healing. But I have no idea why they’re, what they’re doing. You know, I’m not gonna even guess. Uh, but they’re, you know, it’s certainly not healthy for us. So, but we know that if we walk outside barefoot and we stand next to a 5G tower, it doesn’t affect our body.

Patrick Porter: I don’t care how sensitive you are because our bodies are designed anything that’s not for us and is against us. Our body is used to dis discarding. Um, as an example, if you live next to, I’ll just use an example for the listeners, if you live next to a paper mill. You get used to the smell and your friends come over and go, how can you stand living against the paper?

Patrick Porter: And they go, what? Smell? I don’t smell it, because our nervous system is really good about saying, Hey, that’s not gonna hurt me. I’ve been living here for five years. Even though you might be living in a mold house, it’s gonna say, oh, you’re still coming back to the mold house. It must be okay. So it shuts off the signal, even though you got sick earlier.

Patrick Porter: But then it goes into remission and it starts hurting the body because our nervous system is always on guard. So what we can do when we take the sense, the sense of sight sound, now we’re using frequency too because those ear lights are changing to those noje frequencies I was talking about every two minutes.

Patrick Porter: So we’re gonna tap into the vagus nerve, which is going to downregulate the sympathetic system. So that’s all the light and sound in the background is getting you ready. To go into a certain physiological state. Now we know all we need to do is get you into that physiological state of 10 hertz, get you into that physiological state of 7.8 hertz, or get you in that physiological state of 40 hertz.

Patrick Porter: These are the three different brain frequencies that we know make tremendous. Improvements without us saying a word. I don’t have to say anything. There’s, we, we just simply learn things and, and information is not stored the way we think. People just come out wiser, you know, that’s why somebody starts meditating and they, and they really stick with it and they’re doing it, the practice, right? They just become smarter, you know, they make better decisions. They, they treat their family better, they have better relationships because we’re part of a cohesive. You know this, when, when I say alpha is the base drum to our, uh, alpha is like neutral to our brain, 40 hertz is the base drum to the brain.

Patrick Porter: So it, but we’re all, we all have that 40 hertz frequency, so it’s like the heartbeat of the planet is 7.8. So, and, and that happens to be our heart chakra too. So as we think about it, so we’re gonna, we’re gonna imitate nature. When once you’re in that physiological state, now if you need to stop smoking, lose weight, improve whatever we have over 2000 sessions, then you can change it.

Patrick Porter: Now, the nice thing about words, all these other things change your epigenetic profile too. But words change. 2,300 gene expressions. What you say to yourself matters. And there was a good book out, uh, I think it was like 20 years ago, called You Can’t Afford the Luxury of a Negative Thought. And that’s really true because if you’ve done kinesiology or you’ve done any testing, once you start using negative language with yourself, I. Your body becomes weaker. So part of it is like my dad used to say, you’re not just, when somebody says, I can’t go to level, you know, when they didn’t wanna practice, he’d say, because they think they’re not doing anything. But when you’re meditating, doing breath work, you’re doing high level neurological improvements that. You won’t even realize for years maybe because it’s a cumulative effect. So what BrainTap does is give you, it kind of, that’s why we’re so big in the biohacking world, because people don’t wanna spend the time learning all these things. They just wanna experience them. So we give them an experience, but then we have a training that, and the nice thing is that we show, like our concussion study we did in Michigan, we showed one year after the concussion protocol. The group that used BrainTap over the group that didn’t. The neurological improvement was 30 to 70% better with the group that did BrainTap one year later. So a one year washout. Now, if they would’ve used it every day, it would’ve even been better, but you can only go to a hundred percent, obviously. But the, the thing is that the sooner you can heal the body, the better it will last.

Patrick Porter: You know, the longer it will last. If you’re waiting to have a breakdown to have a breakthrough, that’s a problem. You need to be thinking about, how can I upgrade right now? You know, what can I do right now? Because it’s easier to fortify a house when you don’t have to rebuild the walls than, you know, fortify the house after the hurricane comes.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Yeah, that’s not necessarily how we think about it yeah. Yeah. of the, one of the things that I like about this also, um, and I’ve had my kids on this thing, um, and you know, I’m. I’ve got a mixed relationship with technology because I think a lot of people use technology as a crutch, um, is the ones that I’ve run my kids through.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Ha teach them the breath work and have them doing breath work and, and really learning some of the skills. You know, what happens when the power goes out? What happens when you, you know, forget your device and suddenly you’re like, oh, I can’t, I can’t relax without my thing. And that to me becomes idolatry, right?

Dr Pedram Shojai: Is you have to learn how to go to that place and understand that these are innate.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Inside your own, inside your own consciousness, inside your own brain. And you know, we just haven’t trained to go there, right? We’ve been trained in a very different direction. That was then. This is now, right? So now we learn to train our brains, and this is the true healthcare gig, right?

Dr Pedram Shojai: Is, you build the resilience, you build the capacity to do it. So look, I’m a big fan of what you’re doing. I, I think it’s really great. Um, I’ll put links and stuff in for people to be able to find it. It’s called BrainTap. Um, I. And I’m playing with it myself. So I’ll report back, um, to my audience and just let everyone know, you know, how, how my journey has been on it.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Having, you know, navigated these waters for a very long time. And a lot of these, um, things have kinda landed on my desk and most of them I don’t, I. Use. Right. Um, so this one I’m excited to play with. Uh, this one my kids already love, so appreciate that already. Um, you know, that’s a big one and, uh, I really appreciate the work that you’re doing.

Dr Pedram Shojai: You’ve done a lot of work in the space and, um, you’re obviously still passionate about it, uh, beyond passionate. You’re super excited about the work that you’re doing, and that’s nice to see. I see a lot of people fizzle out. Um, you’re a guy who’s been, you know, activating his brain and his shows, so thank you for that.

Patrick Porter: thank you. Yeah. I’m doing it for myself first because I needed it. I was held back in second grade. I didn’t say that, but uh, I was one of those learning disabled kids that got a PhD later in life because my dad taught me how to meditate. Meditation, really. I tell people, med meditation is your medication, you know, and you do need to learn how to do it without technology. Technology is a trainer, even though I, I still use it, but I’m, I’m still, I could go without my machine, obviously. But you have to, you have to practice some way to get

Patrick Porter: your brain to that place.

Dr Pedram Shojai: That’s it. And look, we’re on technology right now, like technology’s here to stay. Use it to enhance your consciousness and. Boost the capacity of your, uh, innate uh, skills versus falling into the attention economy and slipping into some stupid TikTok feed where you’re just, you’re, you’re getting dumber, right?

Dr Pedram Shojai: You’re not getting dumber. This way. You’re getting smarter.

Patrick Porter: Right. I tell people we, we wanna teach people how to think, not what to think,

Patrick Porter: and that’s really what BrainTap does is ’cause when you’re in that quiet place, most people know that.

Patrick Porter: When you get into that quiet kind of zen place between that tick and talk, as I say, that’s when your mind expands and you really work out your problems. Because if you focus on the problem, you get a better problem. I think you already mentioned that. So we, we wanna create solution states and everyone. I believe that’s why my first book’s called Awaken the Genius.

Patrick Porter: I think everyone has genius potential, but it might be different. Your genius is gonna be different than my genius.

Dr Pedram Shojai: Love that. Yeah. And I’m, listen, I’m, I’m a tree skier and everyone knows you don’t look at the tree. You look between them.

Patrick Porter: Yeah, there you

Dr Pedram Shojai: Right? Don’t fo Yeah. So let’s focus on, um, let’s focus our eyes softly between the trees. Let’s build these innate capacities and let’s report back. Dr. Porter, uh, you’re hero. Thank you for the work that you’re doing and, uh, thanks for visiting the Urban Monks Show.

Patrick Porter: Well, thanks for having me. It’s great being here and great meeting you here.

Yeah, I hope you enjoyed it. Um, I really liked the stuff I liked playing with these gadgets. And I think that there is some tremendous benefit from being able to play in these other states of consciousness and learn how to go there. Now, if you could learn how to go there intrinsically on your own. You’re winning.

You’re winning anyways, check out, uh, the urban monk reboot, uh, re vamped the entire thing. There’s a new program called revitalize in the urban monk academy. And I think that there is a tremendous amount of benefit to continuing this conversation. I’ve got a couple more podcasts coming along this vein. Uh, the vitality summit is coming.

So just if you haven’t been to the website in a minute, go check it out. If you’re not subscribed to the podcast, please do so share the podcast. Uh, this is how this thing spreads, and this is how I help you. And you help your friends. See you next time.

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