Mark Fox
Episode Description:
Join Dr. Pedram Shojai as he interviews Mark, a former NASA rocket scientist, about the fascinating world of Pulsed Electromagnetic Field (PEMF) therapy. This eye-opening conversation explores how a small, affordable device is helping people with chronic health issues when traditional medicine falls short. Mark shares his journey from skeptic to advocate after witnessing remarkable results with PTSD, anxiety, Lyme disease, and more. Learn about the science behind electromagnetic frequencies, how they influence cellular health, and why this technology—once suppressed by pharmaceutical interests—is experiencing a renaissance. This episode bridges the gap between ancient healing practices and modern science, offering hope for those seeking alternative approaches to wellness without the hyperbolic claims common in the energy medicine space.
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Podcast transcript:
Welcome back, Urban Monk, Dr. Pedram Shojai Energy Medicine. It’s a thing and it’s a thing that won’t go away ’cause it works. I’ve been around it for a very long time. There’s a lot of riff-raff, there’s a lot of crap out there. There’s a lot of woo, a lot of people saying things they shouldn’t be saying. And then there’s this.
Incredible body of work that has been growing, um, and helping one individual at a time and spreading through human networks because of results. And, uh, it’s here to stay. So one of the devices that I’ve really fallen in love with is this tiny little thing that costs very little money and is getting a lot of bang for people’s buck and is really revolutionizing this.
Healthcare thing. ’cause you don’t have to go to a doctor’s office and pay for the visits all the stuff, right. The, it’s, it’s expensive. And look, doctors got mouths to feed. Everyone’s got, you know, to make a living. But a [00:01:00] lot of people can’t afford to get well and stay well because of the cost of healthcare.
This is one of the things that I think solves part of that problem. So it’s worth a listen, enjoy.
Mark, it is good to see you. Thanks for being here. I appreciate you taking the time to be here. Thank you so much for having me. This will be fun. Yeah. We’ve been at this for a minute now. I fell in love with some of the work that you were doing a while back, because there’s just so much BS in this marketplace people making claims, people making all these hyperbolic promises.
People saying this quantum chip stops EMFs and makes you taller. And, you know, it’s just, it’s insane what I’ve seen in this industry. And it’s just refreshing to have a rocket scientist who’s making no claims, just being like scratching his head saying, what’s this? And so I want to pull on that thread for this podcast because I feel like the industry has a lot of quacks and a lot of weirdos.
[00:02:00] Um, and you know, just guys out for a buck. And your stance in this, I think is really refreshing. So I’ll just set the table with that. And in that like, just. Yeah, give us your background a little bit. Just, you came, you worked with NASA and you’ve been a rocket scientist, so I just want people to know who’s, who’s on the other end of this.
Yeah. I worked on the solid rocket boosters for the space shuttle, so I was a last job. There was a chief engineer on the solid rocket boosters. I was in the program like 17 years. I think I’ve done a lot of other stuff. You know, I’ve. I know enough about DNA to be dangerous and have created products like music and art around DNA
but how I got involved in this was my dog was sick and this, the only reason I even started is ’cause the guy that showed me this direction was one of the most forward-thinking veterinarians I’ve ever met. He’s a good friend of mine, Dr. Oz Jackson, and our dog ended up having severe arthritis in her spine.
When she was about nine or 10 years old and he’s like, Hey, there’s this magic [00:03:00] machine that puts out energy and frequencies and it can reverse arthritis. I’m like, that can’t be possible, but what do I have to lose? Right. My, it’s my dog, so it’s, uh, there’s no other IL or whatever she was on wasn’t cutting it, you know?
So like we got ready to go do that and then she got really sick. Really fast, unfortunately, and my veterinarian said, don’t put her in a car and drive her all the way to Oregon. I’m like, okay. But that sparked my interest of frequencies and healing and energy healing. I’m like, that’s a bunch of bs, right?
It’s all magic woo woo stuff. And so I kind of looked into it and started to see primarily with PTSD and trauma. Of how high a success rate they were having. So then you start going, well, is this complete placebo? And you start looking into it and, and the Veterans Administration is always scrambling to find some intervention, you know, for vets.
And I just saw the data and how many people were getting better and I’m like, something to this. So [00:04:00] we’ve done, I believe we’ve done the largest, uh, P-E-M-F-P-T-S-D. Uh, study in the world. for all the medical people, we have a p factor of 0.0 0 0 0 0 7, and by 98% of the people actually see improvement, and that’s measured with the Veterans Administration’s protocol, right?
They have a very specific 20 question thing that you do before and after, and we’re seeing that kind of success with it. So. The thing that made me de design the vibe is that, and I’m not an electrical engineer, I’m gonna grant myself an electrical engineering degree after this project. ’cause it blew up, caught many of these on fire.
It didn’t work. They just weren’t the right design. Um, and it made me angry ’cause it’s being held hostage in a clinical environment with doctors and super expensive machines. And I go, that’s gotta be a way to make a simple, affordable device. And then it kind of hit me as. The protocols, when I’m writing them, I’m using them, and I’m not a musician at all.
I can’t play [00:05:00] anything, but I’m using a music synthesizer to write the protocols and the frequencies. So the output is actually an MP three file. It’s a song. So this is basically, the vibe is it’s a MP three player without a speaker. So it’s putting out a song, and if you attach a speaker to it, you’d hear it, but it has coils in there.
So the MP three is just going through the coils to make this magnetic feel. Now as you dive more and more into, I’m still skeptical. Right. And I’ve been looking at this for 26 years now. Right. But it’s, there’s more and more data to just saying, this stuff works and it’s an energy transfer that can be done with magnetic fields or electrical current or light sound vibration, a number of different things, magnetic fields.
PMF is just convenient ’cause you don’t have any wires on you and you actually forget you’re even. Wearing it or having it in your pocket. So we’re constantly doing that. We’re still doing more and more studies on blood sugar, Lyme disease, a bunch of other things because I don’t, with all the Facebook haters and everyone out there, I don’t want to say it can do anything until I got enough [00:06:00] statistical data that says it can.
Right. And so now we get all kinds of anecdotal data, lot of time from people. We had someone with. I’m gonna say it wrong. What is it? M degeneration of the eyes that their doctor freaked out because it actually reversed and is getting better. We’ve never purposely tested that, right? So that’s something that’s very interesting.
So there’s a lot of things like that, but anxieties the number one, you know, ailment in all human beings in every culture, and it’s. Huge success with anxiety and blood sugar and PTSD and trauma. So there’s a whole bunch of protocols on there, but that’s, that’s how I got involved in it. And I’m just still like learning every day.
Um, I think I mentioned this to you once before, I had probably a hundred people ask me about what do I do for Lyme disease? I’m like, I don’t know. I don’t have anything for line. But then I went and researched it and studied ’cause because I had so many people ask me. And Pedram, when you look at somebody on a Zoom call that in a group.
That all have Lyme disease. It’s [00:07:00] the most depressing. I’d rather they had cancer. I mean, it’s so depressing that, you know, they get mi misdiagnosed for decades. They don’t have a fixed, their doctors don’t have an answer for ’em. So we dug into that and we’ve, we’re still fine tuning it, but we’ve got a series of protocols that seem to be working really well for lime.
But lime is a mean little nasty bastard that when you kill it, it spits out poison. Can you called a Herxheimer reaction is what it is, is I, am I saying that right? Herxheimer. Okay. And so you gotta kind of alter between running toxicity in the liver to clean out the poison and go back and kill it again, and then retone your vagus nerve.
But the good news with that, so far, we have a hundred percent success rate with Lyme because it made everyone sick. That little bastard spit poison it. And so we gotta fine tune that of how to cut back the dosage or the, the strength and then, you know, work your way into it. But that’s a long answer to what you asked me.
That’s how I got involved, [00:08:00] is just learning new stuff every day with it. And you know, we get tons of feedback from our customers going, Hey, I used it for such and such. We didn’t even tell ’em to do that. And then they got great results. So we’re always learning as well. The. Essence of how this all came here.
Um, the origin story, I, I know that the look energy medicine’s been around for a long time. Qigong, Tai Chi, all that kind of non-technological forms of energy medicine. And then you got, you know, Russians and Germans and all sorts of wacky scientists, uh, back at the turn of the century playing with stuff.
I mean, Tesla, he was playing with energy, right? And so there’s this whole. Area of the exploration of vibration and energy and how it relates to the body. Uh, a lot of conspiracy theories about how it was shut down. So how did you work your way into this? So the dog’s getting better. You’re like, what the heck is this device?
And then you start pulling on that thread and you start learning about energy frequencies, medicine, how, [00:09:00] you know, and a lot of it was doing the scientific method, right? Just going, this is all fake and I’m gonna prove it’s fake. And then when you get data that says it’s not fake, you gotta keep recessor theory right.
In your assessment. And it really, the driving force PRA honestly, was, well, you got military soldiers or battered wives that want to commit suicide and then they don’t, or they’re gonna get a divorce now they’re not. Or the kids don’t wanna be around them. Now they do. That’s real. Okay. Even if it’s a hundred percent placebo, it’s changing people’s lives.
So that’s what’s, that’s what keeps me going, I mean. I borrowed money from my wife, right? To start this company, right. To make any money for several years. And so it’s, that’s what kept me going as wake up in the morning. You see phone calls and emails like that, how it’s helping people. Is there something that’s really there?
So, and, and I already mentioned, right, we’re still collecting more and more data and probably will. As long as I’m involved in this is trying to prove out what it can and can’t do. And as you know, [00:10:00] nothing’s a hundred percent. I mean, one of the most frustrating things, even though we have a super high success rate, it’s not a hundred percent nothing is, and it’s very depressing when somebody buys it, tries it for a month and it didn’t help ’em, right?
Or here’s a weird psychology thing, they think it didn’t help them. Because they don’t remember how bad they felt 30 days ago. So I’ve spent a lot of time talking to psychiatrists and doctors like you and other people was like, and they’re like, yeah, mark. That’s a very common thing. People don’t remember how bad they felt.
P we’ve had several people that said, ah, it didn’t work for me. I sent it back. And then a couple weeks later they go, can I buy it again? ’cause obviously it was helping me. Mm-hmm. I just don’t remember how bad I felt. Right. So that, that’s what kind of just keeps me going is. And it, again, it’s for people and pets and so’s.
Part of my sinister plan is dogs and horses. Right. Is it, it’s, it’s interesting because talking about the voodoo thing is like one in 20 people. If you go man on the street with a microphone and go, Hey, have you ever heard of PEMF? Maybe two out of 20 people [00:11:00] is gonna say, yeah, my chiropractor has a Beamer mat or something like that.
But if you ask a horse owner, a hundred percent of horse owners will tell you they know what it is. They all know what Magna Wave is. They have their veterinarian and so they see it, they see their horses better. So the challenge I’ve had with this one, and it’s a reasonable assumption, same as I had, is how can this little 2.4 ounce thing do anything for a thousand pound animal?
Bigger isn’t better when it comes to this. You wanna kind of massage the cells, not overpower ’em with energy. And because just like us horses, dogs, we all have water in our body, right? Water solution. And it’s electrically conductive. So the magnet field travels mechanically, I think, ’cause it resonates with the water.
Your skin and organs are electrically conductive and magnetite. This is my theory, and you won’t hear anyone else say this, but magnetite is what’s in birds and turtles for migration. It’s a, it’s now been discovered that humans have it in their cells. Just a lot lower level. So if [00:12:00] there’s magnetite in your body, it may be able to transfer through your whole body, through that mechanism as well.
All I know is you can put it in your top pocket and watch a wound on your foot heal faster or a broken ankle. And the magnetic feel itself can’t reach that far. So there has to be something else going on, like resonance with water, electrical conductivity, or magnetite, those type of things. So we get surprised every day with something else that we learn.
I love that you brought up Magnetite. Um, you know that there is, um, disproportionate concentration of Magnetite in the human pineal gland. And, um, points to all this kinda meditation, third eye, um, conversation that’s been going for a very long time. , but yeah, magnetite is absolutely one of the usual suspects when you look at, look at energy medicine and, and try to explain or understand why it’s doing what it’s doing.
So you have these, you have basically an MP three player that’s outputting. Something different than [00:13:00] sound. We’ll talk about what that is and what PEMF for PMF actually is. And it has various protocols for various things that have been developed, either by you or by a collective of doctors. So I wanna kind of get a little bit into the history of this before we talk about, uh, some of the nuance that I’ve noticed with my patients.
Okay. Um, and you, you mentioned it a little bit earlier, so I, I look at it this way as your body’s. You know, it’s mechanical, it’s electrical, and it’s chemical, so all three of ’em. And you can’t leave any one of those outta the equation and understand what’s actually going on. What happened, and it’s only in the United States.
So back 1934, the flexing report came out and basically Rockefeller and Carnegie ran the medical field, right? They owned all of that. They funded all hospitals. And Rockefeller figured out, since he owned Standard Oil, hey, I can make drugs outta oil. So. If you’re doing anything but drugs or surgery, you’re gonna lose your license and your funding.
That’s basically what happened. [00:14:00] So all of that research, electrical stimulation research in the US got scrapped. So there’s a whole bunch of, where did this come from? And where this genesis came from was literally a doctor that had bought a practice and had an old machine with some knobs on it and some electrical wires, and a card that said, 40 hertz for this, and 215 hertz for vitality.
And it’s like, what the hell does that mean? And just started playing with it. And then since then, over like 35 years, there’s been 8,000 practitioners playing with it. So they’re mostly frequency pairs that are changing every one to four minutes. As you said, there’s 59 protocols, plus 70 expansion ones, and they’re all completely different how they get developed.
Everyone gets this analogy. Think of the two frequencies as a chord on a guitar. The protocol is a song. So you sit around, you add lyrics, you put in another note, you do a riff, right? You just do different things and you change it and keep playing it. It’s like I mentioned Lyme earlier. It’s exactly what we’re doing right now is writing that song.
I tried this song and it didn’t quite [00:15:00] work. You had to put some more into it. And so they’re always constantly developing like that. But that’s where they came from, was, and again, we’re behind the rest of the world because they didn’t scrap electrical simulate now magnetic therapy. Has been around since 4,000 BC or 3,500 bc.
Pulse Electromatic fields are exactly what they sound like. They’re pulsing. It’s not complete woo woo. ’cause it’s the earth’s heartbeat. You’re engulfed in it right now. So the Earth puts out 7.83 hertz, three bands, 7.83, 14.1, and 20.3 called the Schumann Frequencies. And it comes from, we think, lightning bolts and thunder echoing off the ionosphere.
Resonates at that frequency. So it’s pulsing at 7.83 hertz and you can open up an app on your phone and look at it and it’s probably 0.4 to 0.5 goss, depending on, that’s the energy level of the magnetic field. A half a goss roughly, depending on where you’re at in the planet. The divide puts out a maximum of like nine [00:16:00] goss.
Now an MRI machine, you put that perspective is. 50,000 goss, right? I mean, so it’s a complete, a magna wave is putting out 20 or 30,000, the ones that used on horses, um, that you don’t need ’cause you’re overstimulating the muscles and stuff. But that’s what it is. It’s not, I mean, we probably wouldn’t have any, anything living on the planet, US, or plants or anything else.
If we didn’t have PEMF, we’re probably getting energy from the earth. That’s 7.83. You know, it’s the grounding frequency and stuff so. That’s what it is. It just was discovered about a hundred years ago that the pulse one, instead of static magnets is much more therapeutic. So that’s why it’s gotten so much interest until Rockefeller and Carnegie tried to kill it 90 years ago.
But now it’s getting a resurgence. ’cause people, most people find this pedrum, um, because they’re long-term chronic mentally or physically in pain and nothing else has worked for ’em. That’s it. Right? They don’t like side effects. What the doctors, doctor’s telling ’em, they’re crazy. Like fibromyalgia is a very common [00:17:00] one.
Doctors say it’s in your head, it’s not real. And we have a huge success rate with fibromyalgia, for example. And it’s because people, they go seeking for something else. You’ll try voodoo when nothing else works. Yeah. Yeah. Help me. I’m desperate. So this is an interesting segue ’cause I, you know, a lot of the folks that I originally.
Said, Hey, you know what? Can’t hurt. Let’s try this. Technology was my gut health people, right? People were having really recalcitrant issues because, you know, gut, gut lining’s, inflamed, we’re trying to fix it, but their stress levels and their vagal tone was just off, right? So we’re talking about, I’m like, look, can I use this as a va, as a cheaper version of a vagus nerve stimulator to help folks just.
Get to a place where their body can heal. The answer was yes. And um, you know, I’m very happy with the, the results I’ve been seeing with that. Um, but I wanna talk about a little segue. I wanna take a pit stop in that conversation real quick. ’cause my, uh, producer Carl, I. Carl is, you know, 30 [00:18:00] years, HBO, he’s like, he’s always looking for stories.
’cause you, he is like, Hey Pra, you should make a film about this. And you know, we, we, we’ve had a lot of fun over the last decade and so a story he just brought me, um, had a lot to do with the astronauts, your folks, right. And how, man, it wasn’t just, you can’t explain off gravity and say, oh, these people are just not well because they were out of gravity.
For X amount of time went on the space station and they went, and this is a long article, but they went and looked at it and they’re like, oh, that’s interesting. If we examine the microbiome of the space station, the only species we see are the species that came in the, you know, 170, however many people that have ever been up here.
And there’s a million other species missing. Uh, especially to to, you know, very specifically underline and underscore a couple keystone species that are really important soil-based bacteria. And so now it’s like, oh man, you are outside of the sphere of the Earth’s microbiome. You don’t get, well, [00:19:00] I wonder if there is a, a second layer of that, of saying, look, if you don’t really find a way to generate the three bands of the Schumann frequency while you’re up in the, in the Space station.
That is also leading to the long-term health demise of these poor individuals who are just out of mama’s womb. You know, the earth has created a pocket of electromagnetic and microbiota, um, for us to dwell in. And the folks that we have plenty of evidence now leave that are suddenly experiencing some real chronic health issues that we can’t explain with just gravity.
Yeah. And I don’t know, you know, the main use that NASA started looking at PMF in the seventies for bone density loss. So that’s the main thing they’re looking at. I’m actually not up to speed. I didn’t even know all those details right there. Um, I’ll tell you what it made me think of though is, um, the whole thing that if a woman has a c-section and a [00:20:00] baby is not born through vagina canal, okay, and that.
Or they’re preemie. They’re a preemie baby because the woman’s hormones change right before birth and you’re basically covering this baby with all this microbiome stuff, and they’re healthy. So if you are a preemie or you’re, um, c-section, you’re not getting the vaginal fluid with the right good stuff in it.
So doctors, instead of wiping babies down with Clorox and cleaning them, right, or taking vagina. Liquid and putting it on their face and their body and stuff, so they got the right stuff. So, yeah. I say about the space shuttle program, it was never in production. It was a 30 year experiment and all of space travel is, and yeah, I’m sure they’re learning.
I’ve been outta the program for a while, but they’re learning new stuff like that all the time of, you know, just if you ever watch, like some of the videos is why you spinning a screw in space? Why is it reverse itself without anyone touching it? Have you ever seen that video? I have not. That’s interesting.
You take a bolt, you spin it in space and it just [00:21:00] sits there and it spins and all of a sudden it reverses and flips on its own and keeps spinning. Then it flips back on its own and it flips back and you’re like, that doesn’t make any, huh? We don’t understand physics. How? How’s this simple? Yes. You’s that kind of weird stuff.
In the Gemini program where we had to first do docking of two vehicles, you have to actually speed up to slow down and you have to go high. It’s the opposite of what you would think of. Orbital stuff. So there’s all kinds of weird things like that, that they’re learning. All space travel is still a huge experiment of new stuff that they’re learning.
That’s why we strand people up there for a year, see what happens to ’em. Right. Turns out they get sick, turns out they get sick. The end and yeah, your body’s just, it’s not in the right environment and that we know we can’t get to Mars without PMF and stuff for bone density. Or they wouldn’t be able to get out and walk once they get there.
Right. ’cause it’s just. Yeah, and that, you know, you know the whole thing. You’ve seen exercise equipment, stuff. It’s not that simple. When there’s no gravity, how do I [00:22:00] run on a treadmill or how do I even sleep, you know, because things are not natural. But yeah. I think that was the basis of the, uh, we’ve been using power plates in our clinics for years, and it’s like a 40 hertz vibrating, , platform.
, original science. I think the Russians, the cosmonauts beat us to it, but it was like, Hey, this, we found that a 40 hertz vibrating platform brings up muscle and bone density in these folks that are losing it too fast. Um, and now people work out on it and it’s a whole thing. But the PEMF with that, it’s just, we fell behind because these greedy monopoly guys.
Really intercepted the healthcare field and yes, helped co-create a system that kept everyone sick. And now, what is it? One fourth of our GDP goes to a broken healthcare model. It’s insane. That’s great. And so, enough’s enough, um, I started looking at, and, and the reason I really gravitated towards this technology was a same thing.
I saw it work. Um, and same thing with [00:23:00] Qigong. It’s like, I, I was like, what, what the hell are you guys talking about? Then I did it and it was like, oh, I feel better. That’s a new data point. Now my, my thesis has to change. Right? And I saw it work and I was, you know, I owned clinics, so I started buying the big fancy gadgets and, you know, the, the entire medical model is around saying, great, let’s get a code for this.
I. And create office visits and now you could bill on this thing. And so owning clinics, I was in that stupid broken model and you’d spend 20 grand on a machine and people would come lie on it for a hundred bucks and um, it paid for itself, but people couldn’t afford to do what it was that we were offering except the rich guys.
Um, I love the democratization of this type of medicine for everybody, and that’s why I’m just such a big fan of. What you’ve done in terms of just getting the same kind of result in a little box that everyone could afford. And watching the data grow as more and more people self [00:24:00] report back and say, well, this didn’t work and this did.
And so it’s becoming almost like a, a collective, a collaborative, uh, data stream of folks. Reporting back on what has worked for them. I, and I love that. I love that it is, and know there’s Facebook groups popping up all around the vibe and stuff, that they’re all sharing certain things, which I gotta be careful.
’cause if I get involved in ’em, then I’m giving medical advice maybe to the group. So that’s a little iffy. Yep. Uh, which I can’t do obviously. But you said one thing that’s really key I want your listeners is 40 hertz in the energy field is magical. If you had one frequency to run, that’s it. 40 hertz reduces inflammation and 80% of all ailments out there are based on inflammation of whatever, right?
So 40 hertz is magical. If you, your listeners don’t know this story, uh, MIT discovered 40 hertz reverses plaque in the brain and Alzheimer’s by accident. By complete accident they had rats in a box with a white [00:25:00] light. They were trying to study something completely different, um, and found out 40 Hertz was doing this revers, and now they have all kinds of.
Human trials and everything they’re doing on that. Um, it’s, uh, show it, see it real quick is, so 40 hertz is magical. I can’t say the word Alzheimer’s, okay. So we’re just going to call it everything but that. So, just got this yesterday. It’s 40 hertz, PMF, so it’s got a magnetic field in there and it’s flickering light at 40 hertz.
And so you’re gonna wear it on a meridian like this on your wrist or the back of your neck. We have a little silicone holder. This is the demo that we just got. I don’t know if it works. I’m gonna make a thousand of ’em do a study and see if it really helps with Alzheimer’s. But my suspicion is it will ’cause there’s enough data out there from other people and we can build on MIT stuff.
I feel I feel good ’cause I got to school the guy that ran the study because. He told me, oh, your, your device can’t [00:26:00] work ’cause it’s one to a thousand hertz. You can’t see anything over 60 hertz. I’m like, you’re right. But how did yours work? Because you didn’t take the rat’s eyes open. Mm-hmm. And he goes, you know what, mark?
You never figured that out. We have no idea how the energy got in the body. So I told that story to a friend of mine who’s a, she’s one of the top pediatric radiologist in the country. She actually lives in Texas too. Um, and she said, mark, they discovered in 2000, 2001 that your skin has light receptors just like your eye.
It’s got rods and cones in there. They’re just in a little different shape. And I go, what? So I went down that rabbit hole like that can’t be real. Found all the research that it is. I went back to MIT and I told him that and he goes, that’s bs. That’s not true. Okay, change your data point what you just said.
Here’s all the research. Gave it to him. We had another Zoom call and he goes, you gotta be kidding me. I didn’t know any of that, that your skin has light receptors. Right? So all that, you’re learning that stuff that, that’s cool. We’re using so much AI as unbelievable in my business is. We have our own gpt and everything we built.
And I said, Hey, for 40 hertz [00:27:00] Alzheimer’s flickering light, MIT use white light. I can never find any reference why white light is correct. And they wrote back, you’re right, there are no references. They just picked it by ’cause it’s a thing that was available. So I said, so what light should I use with infrared red light therapy?
White, blue, it said blue. For that meridian and what you’re trying to do with the brain and everything is blue and it gave me the actual wavelength of blue, the band that we should use. And that’s what these are right here. So that’s some cool stuff. I mean, I don’t know if it’ll work right or if chat GT’s correct.
But that’s a good start. Right. And so that’ll be a cool product to, we’ll have probably early summer. So 40 hertz is also really interesting in the realm of neurology. It’s also, you know, it’s, it’s early gamma and if you start looking at kind of the, the brainwave biofeedback, we start training gamma.
Really interesting things happen. Um, and I have a whole other thesis. We go down [00:28:00] this rabbit hole later or, or never. Um, but I’m doing a ton of research on this. . Around the activation of this kinda multi septual awareness that happens when you put the brain in gamma, um, and certain things happen in the cingulate cortex.
Certain things happen around the default mode network, but what happens is the brain starts to kind of come back to home base, and then when you start sending signals. To say, Hey, it’s safe. Go ahead and heal. We’re starting to see not just neurologically with Alzheimer’s and even Parkinson’s in some cases, but anxiety, stress, uh, insomnia.
There’s, there’s definitely something in that 40 hertz range and influencing the system to live there somehow allows us to heal better.
And I, I’m not gonna speculate any beyond, anything beyond that. I could just say that you do this, people claim that they’re getting better. How the heck it works? I’m not there. I don’t think the science is quite there yet, but there’s a lot of, there’s a [00:29:00] lot of speculation around it. What, what science we do have around PEMF and what you can measure the at the highest level.
These are the two things that I tell people. It’s pretty much common knowledge that everyone knows that your cells have a voltage on ’em. They have like a car battery, and when that voltage gets low, you get sick and it can be measured. And PMF is shown to increase the voltage at the cell membrane. So the cell needs to get bad stuff outta the cell and get good stuff in constantly, and it can’t do it without.
Current. It needs an electrical charge for elements to get in and waste to get out. We do know that. So we know it recharges your cells, batteries that’s been shown scientifically. And also a TP aine, tri phosphate, I’m saying it wrong, but it’s the main fuel that your cells use for food and PMF has been shown many, many times to increase a TP up to 500%.
So to your point, there is at least those two things for sure. And. [00:30:00] It that it’s doing, that it’s recharging cells, batteries and it’s, it’s, um, increasing the food supply for the cells to make, let your body do what it does best to heal itself. The other thing that’s actually been measured is cytokines in the blood are a good indicator of pain.
The more cytokines you got, the more pain you’re in. And once they first got this data that showed it was dropping the cytokines like in 20 minutes, every cytokine expert in the world said, that’s impossible. It takes months to shift that. So the data’s wrong. So run the test again. It did it again. The data’s gotta be wrong.
This one guy is in a conference. He calls the guy out and goes, that’s a bunch of crap. You’re lying. Whoever ran the data is an idiot who ran the data. And they said, whatever the doctor’s name was, I forget. And he’s like the leading expert in the world and the whole room knew that and went, oh, so another data point.
There’s some real stuff that you can measure pain with cytokines and you can see ’em drop. [00:31:00] Now there’s one interesting thing with that is it’s super expensive test. It’s not mainstream yet, but you can see PTSD and trauma at the cellular level. Visually. You can see it with tests, and so they’re not that affordable, but that’d be one of the best biomarkers ever, besides questionnaires, right, is to, did your cells actually change?
Right. . Magnetic field changed the cells. You, there’s not that marker of PTSD anymore, or at least it’s reduced from what it was before. So that’s some really interesting stuff coming up. Um, I was at a conference in Dallas last year and I, I was actually leaving in one booth. I saw thing where they have mitochondria tests.
They could actually measure the efficiency of mitochondria. I sat there and talked to the lady and I was like, Hey, we got this test. They’re kind of expensive. You wanna be in the study. I started the study. And then the FDA said, if you prove it can help mitochondria, it’s absolutely a class one medical device.
So I stopped and just said, I don’t want to go prove that works [00:32:00] ’cause they’re gonna try and shut me down. You know? So there’s all those competing things when you’re trying to move forward of, I guess I don’t want to know that and publish that data, right, and go spend all the money on that test, even though for the goodness of mankind, it would be an awesome thing to have, but not if the government’s gonna use it against you.
Right. Well, yeah. It makes you question the existence of the FDA and why they’re, why they would do that. If mitochondria can produce more energy, the currency of life, and then you can get over the top and heal chronic disease in your own body and feel better and make better decisions, and it, it’s, you know, oh, uh oh.
These guys woke up and they’re alive. Um, that’s not, that’s not great for a control system. So that, that in and of itself is, uh, a serious, serious point for our listeners to consider. Um, the, the data that you’re getting, a lot of this, like, so I’m doing a 150 person clinical trial right now. We’re doing blood spots, we’re doing saliva, um, and we’re also doing heart rate variability.
And the [00:33:00] cheapest part of this party is heart rate variability. Just throw a device on, throw a device on everyone, and you’re, you’re rolling. , the. Heart rate variability up to about a year ago was like, wow, you talked to a neurologist? Like that’s not proven right. And so I had lunch with Jeff Bland, got a month or two ago, and I was asking him about HRV and he sent me a bunch of, uh, studies that came out in 2024 proving.
Irrevocably, that heart rate variability is an absolute perfect marker. Now, it’s been proven over and over again for overall health, vagal tone, all of it. And so I would assume you’ve been looking at HRVI would’ve been, I would assume that HRV is something that is easy to toggle, uh, and, and observe with this device.
Just curious what you’ve seen there. Well, so one of the doctors I hired to do third party independent studies for me, right? Doing it all correctly and stuff. I hired him because I said heart rate variability is the most important thing for me to measure for vagal tone and for PTSD, by the way. And he goes, which heart rate [00:34:00] variability are you measuring?
I go, well, how many are there? Multiple ones. And then we dig into that rabbit hole about which one to measure correctly. And then which device is actually measured? It’s rss, DDN, or I’m saying it wrong, I think, but there’s one you wanna measure for immediate results. Did it change in the 30 minute session?
And there’s another one that you wanna run for longer term. Heart rate variability. So it’s different measurement phase. But yes, we are doing that. Um, we have instrumentation stuff that we’re running on people. The cheapest, best thing I tell people, and I don’t have anything to do with the company, is like a Fitbit three, it’s 79 bucks and that’s affordable.
Or a rings of course, but they’re $500. Um, and then all the other wearables and stuff that are out there. Interesting story of lesson learned. I made an assumption when I first started with pss, I ran the largest study with with dogs. So there’s a a no kill shelter here in Florida that has 850 dogs in it.
It’s the largest one [00:35:00] in the country that I know of. And my logic was they all are large, majority of ’em have to have PTSD ’cause they’re in jail and they didn’t do anything wrong, right? So all these dogs are in jail. My logic was cortisol is normally high when you’re stressed out, and if stress comes down, cortisol would come down.
So I did saliva tests on all the dogs before and after measuring cortisol. Then I learned from the Veterans Administration is, Nope, you don’t wanna measure cortisol. Your rationale made sense, mark, but it’s wrong. ’cause people with PET PTSD and most likely dogs as well, their cortisol levels already low and it may be part of the reason they acquire PTSD.
We just don’t know. They came back and said heart rate variability is the main thing outside of your analog visual scale of, I feel better that you ought to be measuring for PTSD. So that’s what we’re switching to, right? Is measuring heart rate variability for PTSD as well as vagus nerve toning. And you know, the first time I learned is like. I heard the [00:36:00] same thing that anyone else is here who’s not educated on this heart rate variability in your brain. You think of pulse and you’re like, well, I want my heart rate variability to go down, just like I want my pulse to be lower.
No, you don’t. You want your heart rate variability to go up means your system is more responsive to fight or flight and it’s more imbalanced. But that’s not intuitive. Right. And it’s like I said to this doctor, I go, oh, so this one set of tests, we got a 58% improvement in heart rate variability after 30 minutes.
And then we used another thing and it was only like 28%. And I go, well, 28% isn’t really significant. And he goes, mark, there are professional athletes that would kill for a 5% improvement or 10, so 20 eight’s still pretty, you know, really good. I’m like, okay. So we’re playing with that right now with our devices.
This new pendant called Vaga Vibe is exactly that. It’s just a vagus nerve stimulator, but we’re playing with the exact. Frequencies, and I’ll say the wrong word ’cause I’m not a doctor, it’s homeostasis or something where if I just stay at 14 hertz, the body kind of gets used to it. [00:37:00] And so you gotta kind of move around 20% higher and lower and do a little bit of a sweep so your body doesn’t get conditioned to it.
I mean, in the, in the marketing world, it’s called brokers area of your brain. It’s the part of your brain that stops you from seeing or listening to anything that’s boring. That’s why you’re autopilot when you’re driving your car. Nothing snaps into gear until a deer runs in front of you, right? So that’s the same thing when you’re writing ads.
You gotta do something like that in the physical world of medicine and stuff. It’s similar thing is you’ve gotta keep changing it a little bit so that it doesn’t get numb to therapy, I guess is a way to say it. So we’re playing with those protocols all the time. Is turn a little knob here. The good news, every time the doctor calls me the good news, bad news, everything.
We tried, worked, mark. They all improved it. So which one do you go with? Because you know, you got, when you’re looking at heart rate variability, you’re also looking at, um, vagal nerve tone. It’s another direct measurement of that. And then you got about five or six other measurements. You got power [00:38:00] levels and all these things.
So when you have protocol A and these three get good, and then protocol B, the other three are good, which one do you pick? And how? So that’s the fine tuning that we’re doing right now with a lot of these products is. And then it’s almost like, ’cause we don’t have a quote biofeedback system to measure things ahead of time.
It’s like do those knobs need to be turned different for each person? The answer for perfect optimization, probably yes. But then you get into programmable things and very expensive biofeedback to figure out, and I’m trying to get towards 90 10 rule, gonna help 90% of the people. Right, with something that you said is affordable, is the key word.
The other one with vagus nerve. Stimulators is affordable and not invasive. Where historically they’ve been a surgical implant right into your brain or your spine. And a couple products that are out there right now are 15 volts that you put against your neck, right? It’s a, it’s a [00:39:00] shock collar. Like for a dog, that’s not an noninvasive.
This one is, you don’t even know it’s running. It’s a magnetic field. You don’t quote, feel it, except you feel better. So it’s both affordable and. Non-evasive, right? You’re not cutting into somebody to place something in, you know, putting, putting a device inside of a person. In the old days, uh, some of the best medicine we’d, uh, advise was go out in nature.
Right? You know what? Go camping for a weekend, hiking, backpacking, find a stream. Sit down, shut up. Right? And that would be, that would be an override. Right, of all of the different frequencies that have not just kind of imprinted on their body from living in society, but also, you know, the mental frequencies and the noise and all that.
And it absolutely works. I mean, I don’t know anyone, uh, that doesn’t come back and say, you know what, thanks that, that I really needed, that. I. Um, so what is that? That’s the three bands of the Schumann Resonance Nature kinda lives there, and 14 Somehow lives right in the Middle. So I get that right? Like it’s just, let’s just bring the body [00:40:00] back to a place where it’s in its natural rhythm and things function better.
Um, in terms of people saying, okay, well can this hurt me? Right? And, and I hear that a lot as like, you know, if, if it’s, if it’s influencing my. My energy and the, the magnetic fields. Uh, how dangerous could this be? I would love to hear, , any of the mishaps or any, any of the stories that would, , may be a cautionary tale.
Yeah. And, and I, when I get asked that, at the, I start off with going to the dentist and getting an x-ray on your teeth. They’re putting a lead apron on you because that is 10 to the 12th power zeroes frequency. So this device is one to a thousand hertz. Start at a. The reason you have a lead apron on is ’cause that’s an insane amount of frequency, and the energy’s gonna be, frequency is how often the wave comes by.
The magnetic strength or whatever is how big is the amplitude. So I always use a analogy of a surfer. The surfer’s out there waiting for a wave. The wave comes every hour, and it’s only two feet tall. It’s not a lot of energy. [00:41:00] If he gets a hundred thousand waves a second and there are tsunamis, that’s a lot of energy, right?
So these devices, one to a thousand hertz in the goss level that they’re at. On a scale, it’s actually zero on a logarithmic scale, it’s actually zero. Your cell phone is gonna be a million hertz, your TV’s gonna be a hundred thousand Hertz, your wifi and um, Bluetooth routers and all that. Or 2.4 gigahertz.
Right? So those are all designed to transfer energy across space, right? I got a phone going to a phone tower. I got my wifi signal. These are collapsing back on themselves. They’re not transmitting anywhere. So it’s, but we get this asked all the time. Is, does it put out EMF. Yes. Electromagnetic field, so is sunshine.
So is any light, it’s in that spectrum, but it’s at a super low frequency and magnetic strength lever that it’s, okay. So that’s one way to look at it. The government, for what they’re worth has a graph that says frequency and energy. If you’re below this line, you’re [00:42:00] safe. And all these devices that I’m, that I have are in that range.
MRIs? No, they’re 50,000 Goss. And, but there’s a million of ’em done a year. How many people have died from an MRI, to my knowledge? One. And it’s because a tank flew across the room and hit her in the head. It wasn’t the magnetic field. A tank oxygen tank wasn’t tied down. So we do millions of those a year.
Yes. I mean, and the real answer is long, long, long term. We don’t know. Just like we don’t know what wifi and cell phones and everything else is doing to us, but the guess is it’s super, super low energy. Like I already mentioned, you’re engulfed in it in the earth. You’ve said human frequencies multiple times and I’m at a half a goss, so you probably need it for survival.
Um, that’s the difference is I think it’s massa at those low levels. It’s the way to look at like the, this rabbit hole. ’cause you know it a million times better than me. Everything’s happening at the cell surface, the membrane, you don’t want so much energy [00:43:00] that flies through the cell. You want to kind of massage.
The interstitial fluid between the cells is where you wanna make changes. That’s what I think it’s doing a lot, but, and there’s actually harmful stuff that says some of these bigger mag wave things where the horse’s muscles are flexing, it’s probably using up a bunch of energy in the wrong place. Right?
It’s contracting muscles and stuff. It’s not really what you want. You wanna try and let the cell have some energy so it’s healthier. But the, in general, the whole PMF community says they’re safe pacemakers. We tell everyone in the community says, don’t use it if you have a pacemaker or any kind of electronic implant.
Now, that’s the official answer. Okay, if you have a pacemaker, don’t use it. Am I clear now? Second part of that conversation is, so doctors started to figure out with MRIs is like, you can’t have an MRI if you have a pacemaker, but you know what? You’re gonna die if we don’t look inside of you. So you wanna take the chance.
So now people get MRIs all the time with pacemakers. Nobody’s died [00:44:00] for it. Okay. But it’s like that’s the physics, logical is I don’t want a big magnetic fuel with some electronics inside somebody making it stop. So we have a technician stand there with paddles to restart you, and they’ve never had to do it, to my knowledge.
Right. But the whole community still says, don’t do that. If you have metal implants or stents or stuff that’re just metal, that’s fine. It’s just if there’s any electronics inside you, like insulin pumps or pacemakers, or. If you’re pregnant, don’t use it. And there’s never been a case that anyone knows of where, but the first time there’s a deformed baby and somebody used A PMF, it’s gonna be blame it on that.
Right? Yeah. It’s gonna be hell to pay, right? Yeah. Yeah. , I think in general there have been. So many positive stories, so much positive feedback that’s come back to my world. And I like PEMF as a technology in general. I have a Matt, I got, you know, I got v various, uh, forms of it in my house, right?
Um, but the price point [00:45:00] and the portability of what you’re doing, I think really changes the game for a lot of folks. Um, I just did a retreat a few weeks ago. And six or seven of the students in there came up and were like, Hey, thank you. This thing’s really helped me. And just, you know, pulled in the device.
And I’m like, well, how? Right? Because, you know, again, I like, I like data, you know, I’m sleeping better, my pain is better, you know, and so you hear the usual responses. And it’s always along the same lines of the, and this is a rabbit hole, we’re not gonna go down. But if, if you’re listening to this Google Neuroception.
There’s all various forms of perception, right? There’s extra ception, your five senses, interoception, you know, my heart rate and my, my awareness of my breath neuroception is safety signaling and an animal that doesn’t feel safe cannot heal. And I think that there are. A lot of touch points between this PEMF technology and the frequency overlays that bring us back to [00:46:00] just petting the animal and saying it’s okay.
It’s safe, so that you can digest your burrito so that you can sleep that night so that your cells can. Get out of wartime economy and go back to peacetime economy, which is, you know, building and, and, and flowing and doing all these things. And I think we’re gonna learn a lot about this in the next decade or so.
I think the, uh, the breakdown of this monopoly drug-based system is happening right in front of us and people are sick and tired of being sick and tired. And I think that there is, uh, a renaissance coming and a lot of this type of conversation is. Coming to the forefront instead of being suppressed into, you know, back alleys.
And, you know, I used to talk about this stuff in the nineties, but it was all hush hush. ’cause God forbid they hear you talking about it, you’re quack now. It’s like there’s enough people saying, dude, this helped me to make it okay. And I think we’re about to break. I think there’s like, we’re, we’re gonna get out of, you know, get orbital velocity on this thing.
There’s gonna be a lot more data for millions and more people saying, well this frequency worked [00:47:00] for me here. And so I. Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate that. And I, I’m seeing that right just in the vibe’s, been out for two and a half years. Just, I mean, put in perspective is, you know, we sell wholesale and stuff to doctors and spas and stuff.
I probably got a new wholesaler once every two months, a year ago. I have two or three new ones a day and they’re learning about it from somebody. You know, here’s the typical story. Come in, patient goes in, doctor goes, oh my God, your A1C and your blood sugar’s awesome. It hasn’t been for 10 years. Did you finally start?
Changing your exercise. What? No, I use this thing. What the hell is that? Snatch out his hand. And then they call me. Yeah, what is this thing? Right? And it’s like, this is what it is. So well, how do I get one? And try it. You buy one and try it in your practice and see if it works. And we’re getting some really cool stuff.
I don’t know what the synergy or resonance was, but I got three doctors in the same week last summer. Said, Hey, this thing’s kicking butt for ms. I go. Mus sclerosis. I go, yeah. I go, I don’t [00:48:00] have an MS protocol. What are you running? Fibromyalgia. And all three went. Yep. So you got doctors like looking at the list and going, well, it’s not exactly that, you know?
And I get this every day. Me and my team, somebody will go, will it help with RMCJ? What does that have No idea. Right? So you go Google it and you’re like, oh. And like I said earlier, 80% of the time it’s inflammation of something. So run 40 hertz and run general inflammation. If it’s toxicity, run the liver protocol.
If it’s nerve related, run fibromyalgia or neuropathy, right? So you can make my best story. And if it doesn’t raise the hair in your arms, you’re not human. This is still my best story of hundreds and hundreds that we have. 17-year-old girl told me, mark, I’ll never have a date in my life because I have Tourettes.
I’m a monster. I get bullied every day at school. It’s awful. She goes, I ran brain balancing. My Tourettes disappeared and I have a date Saturday night. She ended up marrying the guy. I didn’t tell her to run that. I didn’t know it could do anything with Tourettes, [00:49:00] but her Tourettes are still gone. Okay.
That’s one single case there. But for that person, it’s like that story of the starfish, right? You got all these starfishes on the beach, the kid picks up, one throws in the ocean, father says you didn’t help him. Well, I helped that one, right? So even though I can’t help the other thousand starfish, I helped one.
So there’s. The, like, the reverse of the eyes. One I mentioned earlier is like, that’s the first case I’ve ever heard of that, you know, um, you know this, I got his card over here. It is like one of the best doctors for are, um, degeneration of eyes and stuff and he’s like, everything in your eyes is connected to the liver.
And it’s like, okay, liver and the kidneys. I’m like, so if we ran liver and kidney protocols, can that help someone’s eyesight? I am trying to do a study with that guy. I don’t, don’t know, but that’d be something super cool where they don’t have another answer, right? I mean, it’s some scary shit. I’m losing my eyesight and I’m gonna keep losing it and it’s gonna get worse and worse and I’m gonna be blind.
That [00:50:00] doesn’t sound fun. Is there something else I can go try? So that’s some of the exciting stuff. I think it’s coming and it, like I said, man on the street used to be one out of 20 people. It’s probably two now, right? In the last couple years, there’s more and more people are learning about it or hearing about it.
I think one of the things, and I just we’re running outta time, but I just, I want to commend you on something that I think is missing from this industry is, you said a three word combo in the same sequence multiple times is, I don’t know, which to me is the, the origin of all good science and a lot of these self-proclaimed experts have to know, and people just say things that they don’t actually know and the.
Science is being distorted because I don’t know, is the essential starting point of true science. And I just, I, I appreciate you standing in that place of humility and being a true scientist and looks, it’s like, Hey, I don’t know, but look at this data. That’s how the good stuff starts [00:51:00] to happen, and that’s how this thing has grown.
So I, I appreciate that, um, stance. I appreciate where you’re coming from there. Thank, thank you. Um, yeah, so Mark. Keep up the, keep up the good work on this. I’ll put links to the device, , in the show notes here and, easy enough to get it.
If this sounds like something you wanna try, go get one, try it out and let Mark know. Right. And I’m sure he has a refund policy if it didn’t work. But it’s more about inspiring folks to understand that there’s a lot happening. Around the space of electoral medicine, around PMF, there’s a lot happening.
That’s a groundswell from people just saying, holy crap, I’m better. Which is a hell of a lot better than what I hear happening in the halls of most hospitals. USA is, it’s just a depressing, dark, no one’s getting anywhere and spending all their money, getting their story, and this is the opposite of that.
And I love that. Right? There’s just a lot of hope in this space and I just, I keep hearing really cool things [00:52:00] from people. Who are swearing by things that I didn’t even know existed. So I, I just, again, thanks for doing the work. Thanks for putting your rocket science brain on this stuff. Um, and uh, I’m just constantly like Mark’s just sending me stuff all the time being like, Hey, look at this really interesting data.
And that’s where I think this is gonna grow. I think that’s where we’re gonna fix healthcare is one person at a time, one frequency at a time, or frequency pair. So be clear. Thank you so much for having me. That was great. Yep. Thank you.
I hope you enjoyed that. I like Mark. I think he’s got just a fresh perspective on this, coming from the outside, just being like, I don’t know. I don’t know what works. And so that to me is a great place to start instead of pretending, you know, uh, a lot of people do that. So if any of this sounds interesting to you, check out the device.
It’s cheap. I got a link on my site. Um, he gave a discount to our people, , and. There are a lot of ways without the device to also find balance, right? That schumman resonance that we talked about get out [00:53:00] into nature. Please spend more time in the sun, spend more time with your feet on the grass, spend more time under a tree canopy.
All those things have electromagnetic influence and all those things will help you with the. Flow of energy through the cells of your body. Um, I like the gadgets because a lot of us are stuck like hamsters on a wheel inside these offices and these cars and these buildings. And so we have to influence our energy back to some of these natural rhythms, um, because we spend so much time in unnatural settings.
Hello modern world. It’s how we’re living. , on top of that, I’ve had a lot of people. With a lot of really interesting medical issues, claim that this thing is helping them. And I’ll stop at that because I don’t wanna make claims, but people are talking and so I don’t know. I can’t purport to know exactly what’s happening, but I can tell you that people with 12, 15, 30 years of a problem [00:54:00] are pretty damn familiar with that problem, and I think are pretty.
Entitled to being able to say whether or not they feel that problem is better gone, resolved, different ’cause they’re so familiar with how that thing feels. And that’s the kind of feedback I’m getting, uh, through multiple channels from multiple types of people and syndromes and conditions and all of it.
So, Hey, listen, worth a shot doesn’t hurt. And if it helps you, yay, right? Yay. Then you’re one of them. Hope you enjoyed that. I will put a link to the device. Just go to the urban monk.com/podcast. Find this podcast, and I will put a link there so you could enjoy the discount he offered my folks.
Thank you.
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