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A New (Old) Life Improvement System
The knowledge of energetic practices is growing steadily in popularity, and feng shui is one that has been slowly coming to light in the western world. Feng shui can help us improve many areas of our lives…health, prosperity and even love relationships. It focuses on the intricate, invisible dance between the energies of our surroundings and the energies within ourselves.
Assessing Your Space
Feng shui Master Denise Liotta-Dennis walks us through what classical feng shui is, how it works in essence, and how it can be used to ameliorate certain undesirable effects or enhance the likelihood of good luck in our lives. From the placement of your front door and your bed, to where your stove resides, feng shui can calculate where your energy will be enhanced, stifled or fragmented and what to do about it.
Well Hey, If It Works For Them…
Denise gives us great insights into what to focus on and how to make it work for us. From the depths of ancient history to the lives of high profile people, feng shui has been used to effect positive outcomes for many. It’s all about using energies of the earth in an efficient and strategic way. But how does this work and what do you do if your home is not ideally “feng shui’d”? Denise helps us with those questions too.
- Denise was born and raised in Texas
- Feng Shui was recommended to her by a friend
- Gained interest and studied in Malaysia with a Chinese master
- Western Feng Shui is popular in the United States
- Introduced by a buddhist monk and his student
- Eastern Feng Shui is rare in America
- Feng Shui is the ability to tap the energy of a site in such a way that it enhances the human experience and produces prosperity and great health
- We all want to thrive in our homes
- Many people can tune in to the energy of a space
- In Classical Feng Shui, the concentration is on direction
- There is no formula for a perfect home – it’s all a specific practice.
- There are 24 possible ways that a building can face
- In any home, the door, the stove, and the bed are the three most important objects in a home
Interview Notes From The Show:
– Welcome back to the Urban Monk. We are here today to talk about feng shui, which is really fun for me because I don’t get to talk about the stuff I poked around with much, and so we’ve talk a lot about health and social issues, and I tasked Carl with it, and said, “Hey, listen. “There’s a few subjects that I don’t think “we’ve ever covered and I really want to.” So with me today is Denise Liotta-Dennis who has a great story in how she got into this because like me, I didn’t know anything about any of this Chinese stuff, and now look at me. And so she’s also done that in a feng shui space so she studies classical feng shui. She’s written a great book on the subject, and today we have the fortune of having her on the show so hi, welcome.
– Hi. Thank you. Thanks for having me.
– Yeah, so you don’t look like you’re from China.
– No, I’m not Chinese.
– Neither am I. And so I’m a Daoist abbot and you’re a feng shui master.
– That was really weird coming from Texas.
– Yeah, no kidding. And you’re in Houston, Texas doing this of all places so how did you get into this stuff?
– I had a friend. I was in a metaphysical bookstore, and just by a casual comment, she said, “Oh Denise, you need to read about this feng shui.” And I didn’t even know how to pronounce this. “Feng what? “Feng shooey? “What are you saying?” And she said, “Yeah, you have that Chinese thing going on.” Meaning that I had things in my interior, Buddhas and Guan Yins and things like that just kinda unconsciously because I thought it was beautiful, and I was reading a lot of books on metaphysics, and so it started me thinking, “Well, I should check into this.” I trusted her opinion, and I just looked into it, and sure enough, she was right, all about the energy, loved it, took some classes on it, and then I got really obsessed, and that’s when I started looking for a genuine Chinese master to study with, and found one in Malaysia.
– In Malaysia. Okay, so when you first started looking, you found some mention of feng shui. I’m assuming you’re looking at Western feng shui at that time.
– Yeah, right. Exactly. That’s good that you know that. Yeah, Western feng shui is really popular in United States, and I’m grateful that it came over because I would have never heard of it had it not been any kind of feng shui but most of America is familiar with the more westernized styles that was introduced by a Buddhist monk, and he and his student who was an interior designer decided that it needed to come over to States so it’s introduced in the States sort of like that, sort of like a spiritual thing mixed with interior design but no matter, I was still intrigued, and then I discovered that there is the kind that goes back thousands of years with all of these different approaches and techniques and formulas they calL ’em, and so that I had to find a teacher outside the United States ’cause it wasn’t very easy to find classes here, and so I eventually found, I studied with several teachers but eventually I found what I call my main teacher, my mentor who was in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
– Wow, and so you flew out there?
– Yes, and he rarely came here. He did come here. He liked coming to the States but he had sort of a reason so once in a while, he would do a class here but most of the time, he did them in Europe or in Kuala Lumpur where he was living at the time.
– So let’s set the table a little bit here. What is feng shui? Let’s define it and talk about the specifics of how we can look at it, and then let’s talk about how we use it in our lives.
– Okay, I often have been asked to put it in a sentence. You know the one-minute commercial, so to speak? So I thought about that long and hard, and if I had to put it in a sentence, I would say that it’s the ability to tap the energy or extract that energy of the site, wherever that is in such a way that it enhances the human experience, and what is the human experience? It’s prosperity, great health, vibrant health, and great relationships, and it doesn’t matter if you lived thousands of years ago or now, those are our concerns, and the Chinese figured this out on how to use that energy that’s unseen but we know it exists in such a way that it would do that, and so that people would thrive, always the bottom line. In every formula, in every technique that they would call it is for that purpose, is so that humans can thrive in their spaces, whether that’s the workspace or their home.
– When a feng shui practitioner goes into a space, are we talking about like gnosis of qigong in some way to sense what’s going on, or are there filters and kinda practical things to look at like, “Okay, mirror would go here because it’s north.” How does classical feng shui do this?
– Well, it’s both of those. I believe everybody has that sixth sense you’re able to plug in. Now some people certainly had developed it more than others and consciously so so they can tune in to a space, the energy of the space but there are also practical applications of things that you look at. The big difference with the Western and classical is that we are using direction, and so there is a beautiful quintessential to all that people who practice classical feng shui, it’s called a luopan, and it’s a beautiful square, 8 1/2 by 8 1/2, and that is used to measure the direction so it’s not like we say, “Everyone’s home faces to the north,” which is what you will find like in Western books and popular books. Everybody’s home, in fact, doesn’t face north, and it’s very specific, and that has a very specific way the energy is gonna come to that space so based on that information, once you have taken the exact compass direction of your home, your studio, your office, the shopping mall, whatever, now we know how energy is distributed for that space, and then what needs to take place in order to extract that energy, the good stuff ’cause everything’s about the yin and yang with your studies that everything’s about so there’s gonna be some of that negative energy that needs to be brought into balance, and then that is where it gets very specific to the space, and then you couple that with a person, their energy ’cause there are systems that take into account your energy in relationship to that space. Now you have something very specific based on the environment where it’s set, the setting. Are you hanging off of a mountain? Are you next to the ocean? Or are you flat in area like I am in Houston? Or are you in a high-rise? In every situation, it’s a little differently, and then you go about balancing them out for the person so they can thrive in their space.
– So true north, south, east, and west bring in different energies? Most houses aren’t gonna be oriented true north so then you go find what the directions are, and then based on that, let’s talk about so what kind of energies come in from each direction, and then how does one look at this?
– Okay, so one of the systems, in fact, it is the single most popular system in the world in classical feng shui is called flying stars. In the Chinese, it’s called the Xuan Kong Fei Xing, which means the mysterious void of time and space so it’s got this beautiful name, and so the question posed was here is the space, what happens as we go through time? What’s gonna happen in the events of these people’s lives? So flying stars is the single most popular. If you’re gonna jump into your studies of feng shui ’cause you’re so interested and obsessed like I was, one of the most popular and well-known is the flying stars. According to that system, building a structure, any structure, it can only face one of 24 facing directions, and so how that’s derived is that we have, everybody knows what you just mentioned, the cardinal directions, north, south, east, west but in fact, there are four more, and we call them the intercardinal directions, southeast, southwest, northwest, and northeast. Each one of those segments has 45 degrees, and so that’s divided up into three little pieces, if you will, so you have let’s say you say south. It’s the first 15 degrees of south, the middle, and the third. So that you have 24 possible ways, and so that you have 24 what they call natal star charts. Now a natal star chart, and that’s the term by the direction, once you have that, you have the energy map of that space, and how energy should be viewed in that building, that structure, and that could be a big structure or a home so flying stars tells us where the energy is, and not only does it tell you where the energy is, it tells you the potential of what might unfold in your life, where the prosperity was, where the lawsuits might be, where the sickness might be. It’s almost like a tarot card reading, if you will, a little bit like astrology.
– But is that extrapolated over the space that you’re doing this work in, or is it going to kind of map out in, once you lay it out over the space, then it’s gonna tell you what’s gonna happen in your life in the future?
– Yeah, past. Once that’s taken, so let’s say you’re in 182 degrees, you’re like 182 degrees, you’re in the south, and you’re right in the middle, true south, and that’s gonna have a certain energy map. It also depends on when you moved in. They were skywatchers, and they knew how to really map out time as well so it gets even more specific. And then once you have that, you can see the potentials of where the prosperity is. People are always asking about the potential of attracting a partner, getting the raise, getting the promotion. Will I be sick? I’m gonna have a surgery. Will I survive the surgery? All those things are actually laid out in the stars. Stars are just numbers but once you know what those numbers are, it’s like the tarot. Once you know what those cards represent, then you know what the potential is for that home, and you tell it from the past, and what’s happening now, and what could happen in the future.
– [Denise] It is.
– I’m sure people right now are scratching their heads saying, “How?” Right? So you know where my house and you know when I moved in so you have a timestamp and a space stamp really, now so you know where I’m standing in time and space. How do we then know all that other information? How does all of that come out of those two kinda coordinates?
– Those two coordinates, that’s very good. That’s well-said. Well, like I said, the numbers are like the tarot cards so if I want to look and see. I call it because I’m from Texas, I relate everything to like, I call it the nachos. So here is the nacho, the nachos of feng shui. It is the door, which means your main door. Your door, your bed, and your stove. Okay, now there’s a whole bunch more to feng shui, and I have 36 models that I teach. I have 1 1/2 to 3-year study so there’s a lot to say, right? But if you can get those three things, and why those three things? The door is so important and it ranks the highest. I don’t care what system. I don’t care if it’s Western feng shui or classical feng shui, or whatever system it is. The door ranks the highest because the house, or the building, or the mall, or the office built is gonna receive energy via the door. You are gonna come and go from your door like what, a million times in a space? We can’t even count them, how many times we go out our main door as we come into our space. So that’s gonna activate some kind of energy. It’ll be good or it’ll be bad, and that’s gonna affect your luck. Now the Chinese call it luck, they mean opportunities. Money luck, relationship luck, health luck, they mean opportunities, they don’t mean gambling. Then the bed, because we’re spending 1/3 of our, as a doctor, you can tell how much. That’s 1/3 of our lives. So how the bed is placed, that’s where the interior part comes in design. Where your bed is placed will also affect your energy. It’ll affect your health. It’ll affect your money, affect your relationships. And then why the stove? This is where we are nourishing our bodies, where we fight in its fire so the fire is gonna come on and that’s gonna do something. Now there’s more but if those three things are in place, you’re gonna do very well in some kind of space, in your home. The stove, there’s no stove in the building but.
– My stove is pretty solidly placed where it is. I could move my bed. I guess I could move my front door. I guess I could move any of it, right? I could tear down the house. So if you go into a place, and it’s like, “Okay, well, here is the front door, “and here is the stove,” then how do you start to make nudges and nuances to the energy?
– Good question. Let’s start with the door. So let’s say I’ve taken my compass direction with my beautiful luopan, and now I know the energy map, and I know where all of the energy is laid out in all of the eight directions of your home, and I could see where you’re spending your time. I can see that you spend, like I’m a writer so I’m spending a lot of time in my computer. I teach so I’m here a lot. That counts. If I was never there, it wouldn’t count. if you never sat at your desk, it wouldn’t count. But these areas, I’m looking at where you’re spending your time. So let’s say I determined that your front door is not ideal, and we can put cures into place. We can cure it. But let’s say your interior garage door is excellent or vice versa, you can change someone’s luck. I’ve seen it a million times just by switching the use of the door so let’s say the front door or the garage door is not great, and I had you using the great door 80% of the time and the bad door maybe not so great but sometimes you have to use it 20% of the time. That right there can change events as odd as that sounds but it’s the way you’re using the energy so I’ll go back to the original statement. It’s the way you’re extracting what’s available to you, and we say, “It’s what’s before me. “This is what’s before me. “I have this door, and this door, and I have a backdoor, “and I have a slide door.” Which of those doors are activating the best energy in supporting you based on what you’re telling me and what your goals are? “I just opened a new business, Denise. “It really needs to do well. “I just met a new partner. “I want those things to go smoothly.” Et cetera, et cetera. So then I would choose a door. Now that’s funny, you said, “Move a door,” because in classical feng shui, we could do that as well but we don’t usually get that drastic, and nor do we move stoves without some great reason, and if you never cooked on it again, it’s not an issue but when you cook on it, and you’re using it a lot, then that fire is doing something. It’s energy. It’s doing something. It’s an important fire. It’s not like your fireplace. That’s just a cozy fire, right? You’re preparing food on the other fire so that becomes more important.
– Yep, and so again, your stove is your stove so then you would do corrections, whatever the corrections would be if it’s not in the ideal place in your house.
– Exactly. And I won’t even do that if you tell me you ate out all the time, and you turn on the stove once a week so it is what it is. I could tell you what it might indicate, and sometimes that’s useful but if you’re using it a lot, and you have three children, and you have to prepare food at home, and you can’t eat out every night, then we’d come up with some kind of viable solution so that the fire now works for you and not against you because there are certain elements that are really important in feng shui. As you know, water is a huge element in feng shui, and so is fire, so where your water is placed, for instance, is going to activate something. A big pool, how can it not? How can a big body of water like an ocean not affect us energetically? Of course, it will. Like a mountain, that’s like saying, “Yeah, I know you have a mountain out there “but I’m just gonna pretty much ignore that mountain.” That’s not practical. A high-rise building, a 20-story building is right next door to you but we’re just gonna ignore that. That doesn’t really factor in. The Chinese figured these things out that they do, in fact, will affect you in those categories, and it even influences your behavior. For instance, if you live next to a graveyard, people tend over time, they’ll become depressed. It’s dead energy. It doesn’t get any more dead than the graveyard, right? So they figured these things out that where you’re sat, and then the home itself, the way it’s distributing the qi is going to affect the events in your life, and even influence your behavior. It’s almost like you start resonating to that. You’re almost like trying to match the vibration. If you live next to a graveyard, you might can fight it at first but after a while, it’s gonna start affecting you. You might get depressed or lethargic at least.
– Yeah, that’s funny. Locally there’s a lot of Asians in my community, and there is a graveyard going into a local area where the city has been fighting to get it in somewhere, and it’s been this huge hoopla amongst the Asian communities, right? Because there’s like, “No, hell no, “you’re not bringing that over here,” and it’s been like a fight bigger than they thought they would put up, and so because they take the stuff really seriously.
– Exactly. Just so you think about it like it’s dead energy so it will attract some kind of spirits and ghosts. Whether you believe in spirits or ghosts, they’re gonna hang around because they can’t leave this earthly plane for whatever reasons so they’ll hang around, and then if you have a business, it needs that vibrant energy. It doesn’t need dead energy. Or you can’t make money in your business. So now you’re next to that. Or if you’re just a regular person, again, it’s gonna affect you. So I could see why there’s a big hoopla because you don’t place something that’s gonna be a bunch of dead bodies where you want vibrant qi so I could see it’s a big deal. A big deal.
– So how does one do a correction? Like let’s just say you walk into my house, and you’re like, “Oh man, your stove sucks. “This is terrible. “This is why you’re bald,” right? Whatever it ends up being so then what interventions could I find in feng shui to fix that?
– Right. Well, we use temporary stoves. I don’t know if you’ve traveled in Southeast Asia. The stove is so important. It’s so ingrained in them that this is important fire. They even have these little temporary stoves. But we’re here in America, and we know we have our minimum. Our stove’s just even a minimum stove’s weighing 300, 400 pounds, and you get the Wolf or the Viking. Now you got something that weighs 1,100 pounds. So I’m sensitive to the fact that if they’ve got granite, and they have the stove not to bother that. I will only recommend, if they’re telling me they’re cooking all the time, that they love to cook, and we might do a little remodeling. We might reposition their beautiful stove. If they don’t and they’re not willing to do that, then we’ll use a little temporary stove that have the induction burners and things like that, and we’ll place it where it needs to be placed instead of harming you ’cause in all occasion, I would not even recommend that. It’s cost prohibitive. Unless it’s so serious that you are one, getting cancer, you’re going bankrupt, you’ve lost your spouse, or something very serious before I would even go down that road anyway so we would use something that’s really inexpensive, under $100, and find a place for the good fire so that now that fire is activating something good for you. It was supporting your health, or your relationships, or something like that.
– Is that symbolic or you’re cooking on that thing now?
– You cook on it. Oh yes, not symbolic.
– [Pedram] Got it.
– There’s no symbolic. There’s rarely any symbolic. This is a big difference too with classical. We’re doing things that really move the energy, and placing things. We tend to use real elements instead of something like a picture of fire. Real fire counts whereas for real water, we don’t use a picture. If I want you to activate some great energy in your home, and I say, “It’d be great to put water over there.” I’d have you put water, not a picture of water because in fact, element is so powerful. You know Doctor Emoto, the Japanese doctor who did all the research on water, and the Chinese discovered that thousands of years ago that water, in fact, water is like a big secret, and a big thing in feng shui because they discovered it holds energy.
– And it holds all kinds of energy.
– Yeah, and therefore it magnifies. Yeah so.
– What kind of things have you seen? You’ve been at this for a little bit, and so you’ve taught hundreds if not thousands of people, you’ve seen a lot of examples of this, and at first blush, people could say, “Well, it’s placebo. “They just believe it’s better.” Give me a couple of stories of interventions that you’ve had in people’s homes, and what’s happened in a reasonable amount of time.
– Yeah. Well, there are so many examples. Let me talk about a recent one. I have a client who pretty much lives at her desk. She’s pretty much married to the desk. She does project management. She’s there all the time. So that was our focus. She doesn’t cook because she’s married to the desk, and she’s married to her 60 hours a week, I’m helping this, and so our focus was the bed, which was very badly placed, and the desk so we changed her desk direction, something very simple after we did all the other stuff, the energy map, and this is based on her birthdate, and all those kind of stuff so it’s not just the house, you put it with the birthday. And within two weeks, she got a promotion, and she got a raise, both. And so that’s the power of it once you identify what needs to happen, and where a person is spending their energy ’cause we don’t really care about guestrooms you never go in, and we don’t care storerooms you never open in your house. We care where you’re spending your energy and your time ’cause in fact then you are activating that energy. And doesn’t it make sense? It’s really practical. It’s really a practical approach to where you’re spending your time.
– So if I wanted to do this, do I need to get like a feng shui practitioner to come into my house, or can I learn the basics and just start doing, just looking at my first nacho and going from there?
– Well, it’s really hard to. This is why I have my books designed the way that I do. It’s really hard when you’re being first introduced to a new subject like this so it’s first of all have the Chinese view of the universe as you know. Its roots are in Daoism, and then they have all these different tools like the five elements, and this takes a bit of time to master so it’s not that I want to keep it from my reader. I want them to be intrigued as I was learning what I call the basics of feng shui but would you be successful with just that trying to figure out? No, because it’s a deep study. So what I do is I give all the recommendations. It’s like the next best thing of someone who is a professional to come to your home so you have to do two things. In all of my books, I repeat the same things. I don’t want my reader to be frustrated, and try to figure out what is she saying? What am I supposed to put here and there? You get the compass direction, and you could use your smartphone. That’s easy, right? You get your compass direction, and you figure out the year, the 20-year increment you moved in, and then you go to write for that section of the book, and it tells you, “Hey, here’s the recommendations, several to put your bed. “Here are several good doors. “For your energy map, here are the great doors, “your front door, your backdoor “but not so much the side door. “Here is the great location for the stove. “Here is the,” and so it explains, “And here is a good place to put your desk,” et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, all the important things. And then things to watch out for annually like the health book because it’s on health, it identifies those areas what I call little health alerts so be careful on these years, and if you want to, you can put the cure that’s recommended there. So I don’t expect my reader to, and I think feedback is that people get very frustrated when they read feng shui books especially if they’re on classical because it’s difficult. Even the Western is difficult to figure out. What is the author trying to tell me that I need to do? Do I need to put the mirror here? I get this piece but for my specific situation, and that’s what this is about, your unique situation. Every single person’s unique, and then their home is unique, and then them in combination is unique so there’s no cookie cutter.
– Yep, unfortunately that’s a Western mind, wants a cookie cutter, right? Like, “Tell me what to do. “Tell me what’s the answer.” So I know a lot of business people that won’t. If they’re gonna erect a new building or a new project, they will have a classical feng shui consultant come. In Asia, I think it’s also unheard of to not.
– [Denise] Exactly.
– It’s a big deal.
– It is a big deal. So in Asia, for instance, okay, Hong Kong is the unofficial capital of classical feng shui. So everybody uses it there. You don’t put up a bank building. You don’t put up a high-rise apartment or condo building without calling a feng shui master, and even architects are very well up to speed as to what is going to be expected and they know what to do but they wouldn’t ever dream of doing a building. Now in the United States, what’s interesting is that when they got introduced like Wells Fargo and some of these very conservative companies like Merrill Lynch, and I’m trying to think, I think it’s Chase and a few other American companies, when they were establishing a presence, they’re in Hong Kong. They used feng shui because it’s pretty much understood. If you’re gonna invest millions of dollars, you’re gonna use someone to feng shui the building, and she said, “You wouldn’t think of it.” They did so well there that they started sneakingly under the table using the same principles for their buildings here but they wouldn’t speak of it because people’s perception unfortunately is that it’s either religious because of the Buddhist’s connection to it. People think it’s Buddhism, it’s not but they believe that, or they believe it’s New Age-y, and so the banks being conservative don’t want to be attached to that because they were afraid you would say, “Honey, let’s go take our money out of the bank. “Chase and Wells Fargo, they’re flipped. “They’re doing this feng shui stuff. “It’s black magic. “And I gotta get our money out of there.”
– Yeah, so they’re afraid to say. Now Donald Trump is not afraid. He’ll say it. He’s been a fan for years, and he got introduced the same way. In Hong Kong, they were loaning him billions of dollars just about 20 years ago, and they said, “We’ll give you the money,” ’cause no American company would all those years ago, “But you have to have a feng shui master,” so he has been a fan since then of using it, and he said, “I don’t really understand how it works “but Trump Towers is one of the first ones “that was feng shui-d in New York.”
– [Pedram] Interesting.
– Yeah, and in the United States, it’s unfortunate that it’s not more well-known but some of the most famous buildings in America are the casinos. They brought Hong Kong masters over from Hong Kong to feng shui the casinos.
– It turns out they make money too. So I know a lot of people that have done this. It’s like their dark secret. No one wants to talk about it. Now you said it’s not Buddhist, right?
– It’s not Buddhist.
– It’s not even Chinese to begin with. So you were talking like before this even started, it didn’t originate in China, did it?
– Well, here is the story with that. I was told by my teacher who knew the real story is that it’s early as ink-lings came from East India as Buddhism did, and it traveled over to China because here is what the Chinese were doing. Through their Daoist studies and so forth as you know, they already had the big picture of the universe, and how it worked, and so forth. They already in fact had things with the body for acupuncture, martial arts because it was a close society forever. Who knew that you could focus your energy and crack a stack of bricks? This was like shocking all, right? But they didn’t have that, and they used it for graves, setting graves ’cause they ancestor worship but they didn’t have that piece that came over from India where it said, “This is energy in structures,” where in India, they were using vastu shastra, and they were taking into consideration, “Hey, guess what? “If a building faces south, you’re gonna have this. “If a building faces east, it’s gonna be this.” And they have these understandings. Now what the Chinese did with that, they said, “Hey, that makes sense because that’s energy too, “and we’re already studying the energy “of the body, and so forth. “Let’s see what we can see.” And so they took it to a very sophisticated level, and it’s very complex and comprehensive so what they got, that first little spark, and they said, “Hey, think about the structures. “Think about the buildings. “Whether they’re big or they’re small, “they’re gonna affect people.” So they went about observing, and that’s really how they created this. They said, “What if a house faces.” I’ll give you the exact example. What if a house faces that second 15 degrees of south, very specific, And a road or water comes in from the east, again, very specific, then x always happens, and they would document for like 100 years so as they were dying, all their students would continue. They say, “Hey, this is the result. “This could end very badly in relationships, “and not only that, it could very public “and very embarrassing,” and et cetera. They’re called the Peace Blossom Sha, and so that’s a formula. That’s a formula saying, “Every time we see this, “it faces this way, and this comes in this way, “you’re gonna have x result. “This is not so pretty.” And then they have good stuff too. Very specific. If you had this, this, and this, it’s almost like a musical orchestra. You have a lot of wealth, a lot of prosperity.
– They were very good at documenting, they still are, a very meticulous people, and so when you look at Chinese medicine, traditional, the arcane of like traditional Chinese medicine, it’s there because there is all of these folk traditions for thousands of years, and when Mao came in, he said, “That can’t be. “We gotta make sense of this.” And they just started documenting all of it, and you won’t lose a little baby with bathwater there, and there’s a lot of arguments to say that oral tradition is where it’s at but nonetheless they’ve been able to preserve something that the West has mostly forgotten about. We have geomancy. There is still some people talking about ley lines around here, right? And so do you find ley lines in your work?
– [Denise] I do.
– How does classical feng shui look at ley lines?
– Well, that’s so interesting. Yeah, because in the old days, it’s not so much revered as much as it was like in the old days so that’s something that my teacher talked about. It’s not like course material though. it’s not like in the book, okay? He’s just like showing you, and as we talked about earlier, when you go there, do you sort of still listen to your body? So at first, I experienced that because we know that they’re some people who contend they’re not even real. There’s no such thing as a ley line. There’s no such thing as energy crossing or whatever. And the first time I experienced that was a house in San Antonio. They were almost finished with this house, 80% finished in this house, and I noticed the street. It was the weirdest thing. The street came out of the ground about three feet, and then it did a turn, and laid parallel with the ground, and I thought, “Now isn’t that strange? “I have never seen that.” I thought, “What’s up with that?” Well, it’s right at the ley line but I didn’t know that until later, not until i was reflecting on it, and I was at the front door, and I got very sick and dizzy because this is where the ley lines crossed, and how that this translated out for them, and why she wanted me to come out there is they had accidents on-site. Someone had lost a limb through some kind of like Wayward, Saw. The builder went bankrupt. And so all kinds of weird things were happening on the site, and they were at the phase where they could still get out of it. They didn’t have to sign the papers and take the home. It’s new home constructions. They had that window. I think I had five days or something. And all these weird events were happening, and I really recommended them to get out of it, and they did because it was not something that was gonna bring good luck to anybody because you can’t move the ley line. They unfortunately built a home right on that what we want to call the power spot, and it shouldn’t have a structure there, and that’s in the old days where the guy, the dowsers would have found that and said, “Hey, this is weird energy.”
– So the dowsers would be walking these ley lines, and finding the intersection points, and be finding where–
– Yeah, I believe dowsers can find them. Much certainly enough for me, it was a real eye-opener ’cause I didn’t know that I could feel that in my body, that I would physically get a reaction and get sick so I find out that these sorts of things happen. My luopan needle, the compass needles goes crazy ’cause it’s magnetic. We’re measuring magnetic north so it’s a magnetic north, south axis, and the luopan will go a little bit nuts because it’s magnetic energy. They’re kinda gone amok, right, if you will, and then I get a physical reaction so there’s two things I know when there’s something strange, and all that translates out that you should not have a structure directly over it, or all kinds of crazy things will happen like the guy went bankrupt, very unfortunate. The guy lost a limb, very, very unfortunate. And so my clients were really concerned with those two things. They put it together that that’s awfully weird. That’s unlucky. That’s inauspicious.
– Yeah, yeah, to say the least.
– [Denise] Yes.
– So when I think of ley lines, I think of like acupuncture meridians on the human body but extrapolated now over the Earth, and the intersections maybe being like the acupuncture points. Do they move, or is this something that we can have. They’re all over the place, and I’ve seen some maps of ley lines but it’s like they’re there. If they’re consistently there, then why don’t we map ’em?
– Right. Exactly. And that’s a good question. I wonder why someone doesn’t map them out because like I said, the controversy is that people are not gonna believe that they exist but I don’t believe that they move but here’s what I know happens. It was another site that I was doing in Fountain Hills, Arizona, and it wasn’t the client’s house I was doing. It was the house next door. It was very rocky, and they were jackhammering, and because it’s hilly, and they’re trying to flatten out the land to build a foundation, and they released the energy there, and then it affected my client’s house. All hell broke loose when they started jackhammering? Why? Because they were shaking up, moving that energy of that ley line, and all kinds of crazy things happened in that house like really nuts, and it was another worst house I’ve ever seen ’cause they were on the ley line. The guy would wake up every night like the time they moved in at some crazy number like 222. 2:22 a.m. every single night. The little boys were afraid to sleep in their rooms ’cause they thought they saw a ghost, and they were jumping into bed with their parents. All kinds of crazy stuff happened at that house. Well, it got worse when they were trying to prepare that lot, and they were jackhammering over that ley line so I don’t think they moved but that’d be interesting for someone to do that because they would probably still do it though. They probably still build it, and they wouldn’t believe you. Let’s say, “Okay, I know you have the map here “but I’m gonna build my house here. “This is the pretty lot, and I want those mountain views. “I’m gonna do it.”
– Yep, and from what I understand, the ancients had a pretty profound understanding of this so you look at ancient sites like Machu Picchu, and like, say in places in Cuzco and all these, if you overlay the ley line maps, it’s like perfect intersections, and they understood where to put these things based on the flow of energy on the planet, and so this is–
– Yeah, I believe, and I believe exactly that, and even maybe European churches. They have what they call sacred geometry, and they would know. This is okay like for temples, churches, public buildings, or like in Machu Picchu, or wherever you’re meeting. You’re doing something but not to live there on a daily basis so they understood it’s too powerful. It’s overwhelming. So then bad things are gonna happen because it’s overwhelmed. It’s like with my client where all the bad events happened in their lives but before, they were perfectly happy. It’s because it’s overwhelming but it’s okay for a temple. It’s okay for a public meeting place. In fact, it’s powerful. So if you’re in meditation, or you’re doing something collectively, it’s super powerful, right? But not meant for everyday life. Otherwise, you’d have the opposite sort of effect. So I believe all that you just said, and maybe even they had some understanding, and because I can feel some of that energy in some of the churches in Europe.
– Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. These guys knew what was up. They had preserved thousands of years of tradition and wisdom, even in the geometry of the architecture, and everything they put in there. And so we’re now living in a very interesting time where most people are sleepwalking like I’m sure there’s someone listening to this right now going, “What the hell “are these people talking about,” right? And it’s just so far out but you go back a thousand years, our ancestors talked about this kind of stuff all the time. It wasn’t superstition. It was knowledge. Feng shui has been around for a long time.
– Long time, yeah. The ink-lings, they say, the beginnings of it was 6,000 years but fast forward another couple so at least 3,000 to 4,000, and then it became a practice about 3,000 years ago or so, and it’s simply observation. They didn’t have computers but you made an interesting point, that we are living in interesting times because we have to deal with things. We are bombarded with things that our ancestors did not have to deal with. They didn’t have electric magnetic energy. they didn’t have things that upset our sleep, and our food, and all these different things. This newest book, I talk about some of those things, and how to protect ourselves. You were talking about the ley line. There is a guide that kinda redirects that. If you can’t move and you have to do something, he has these little things that redirect the ley lines, or at least keep them in check so they don’t harm you, and disturb your sleep, and make you crazy ’cause my client was going so crazy, she was drinking everyday to anesthetized herself so she wouldn’t feel dizzy in the house. That’s crazy. Who does this, right? So we have things we have to deal with that our ancestors didn’t have to deal with but like you said, it’s not voodoo. We’re not on drugs or something. It is knowledge. This is the Earth. This is what the Earth holds. This is what our structures are indicating to us, and it’s really powerful knowledge to have to select homes in those good settings so that you can continue to thrive, and have the good health, and relationships, and so forth.
– What percentage of your stuff is with fresh builds? Like I’m listening, and I’m like, “Damn, I’m gonna go buy some land in Montana, “and I’m gonna bring you out. “I’m gonna bring you out, and you’re gonna tell me “where to put the buildings, “and everything’s gonna be hunky-dory, “and all I need is internet.”
– Yeah, that is the prima way to use it. And this is unusual. I probably, in my 20-year career, have done 15 new home builds, and so most of them are homes that are already constructed so you have to get creative but that doesn’t mean that you still can’t have great luck with a home that’s already built and selected one ’cause you certainly can. I’ve seen it. People really thrive in those spaces but of course, the optimal way is to build it from the ground up, then you can have every good thing you want but even then, you don’t have 360 degrees to choose from. Like you said, maybe in your Montana, and you own 160 acres, maybe you could do that but even if you buy a nice piece of property, somewhere where you’re at, two acres or an acre, you don’t still have 360 degrees to choose from. You’ll still be slightly. But that is the optimal way to use it.
– Got it. So you still have to negotiate what you got with where you’re at and all that.
– Go ahead.
– Yeah, I was just saying, and then based on what you had said at the beginning of our call, even if I went and found a place in Montana, and found the perfect alignment and all that, we’d still have to wait and cherry-pick what the day is for me to move in in order to have the most auspicious energy to go in based on classical feng shui.
– No, you would still have great luck. Of course, you could have that optimum experience of picking the perfect day to move in. Certainly, date selection is part of that but if the place has great feng shui, you’re still gonna benefit from that no matter when you moved in ’cause it’s holding energy a specific way, and then you’re just enhancing it, and you’re just balancing off the energy with different things. My challenge has been in America is to try to convince builders and architects to use more, and they believe they’d use some feng shui. They’ve just taken little baby steps by not aligning staircases to the front door, and things like that but they haven’t use it with the classical feng shui as they’re doing. My teacher was lucky enough to do a master plan community in Indonesia so he was hired specifically to come out, and set up the entire community using classical feng shui, which has never happened in the States. It has never happen in Europe, in fact, ’cause there’s no master plan communities with small piece of land. So that would be something to contemplate is to have the homes already feng shui-d so that when you come in, you don’t have to feng shui it. It’s already great energy. You just move in.
– I pay a premium for that.
– [Denise] Pay for what?
– Yeah, yeah. That’s really interesting that that happens. What I’d love to see is if they went in, and did a 10-year study on that community to look at health, and prosperity, and some other things, marital status, and see if anything is different.
– Yeah, wouldn’t that be wonderful to go there, and tap that community that my teacher, Grandmaster Yap feng shui-d that, and I think that was the only opportunity he had was that one big community. It was huge though, more than 300 homes, I think he said, and it had a beautiful man-made lake, and so forth, and so we’re having to take what builders and architects are sort of shelling out, and saying, “Okay, this is what I’m offering. “You can take it or leave it “’cause here is the community. “You go pick what you want, and so forth.” In the way of energy. So it’s matter of educating them because they’re in charge of our structures but more and more, becoming more open. I have to say more corporations, and the ones that are building what I call the megastructures, and that’s certainly a megastructure.
– I love it. The book is called Classical Feng Shui for Health, Beauty and Longevity, Master Denise Liotta-Dennis. I love all the things around this subject. When I got into kung fu, little did I know that it was going to pull me away from Western medicine into Chinese medicine, and then into tai chi and qigong, and all these things, and so there’s the culinary arts, there’s the herbal arts, there’s the energetic arts, and then there is the geomancy, or the actual, the time-space art of being able to position yourself correctly so it’s part of an overall picture, a more comprehensive understanding of our reality, and it’s heavy. It’s like you don’t just pick this up, and you know it like to your point, you don’t just know it overnight but man, once you’re into it, you can’t question–
– It’s juicy stuff.
– Oh it’s so good.
– I tell you, it’s juicy stuff. When I give my lecture, I tease them and I say, “Finally the Chinese had to give it up.” And what I mean by that, well, first, we were introduced to martial arts, and we were amazed, right? ‘Cause we didn’t know the energy in the body can work like that, and then the next thing was acupuncture. Again, energy in the body. And the last thing they had to give up was energy in relation to us and the structures so I called the Chinese had to eventually give up this knowledge that they hard-earned. They did the work but in the time of General Mao, it was forbidden so guess what, it became a gift to the world. So they started scattering all over the place, and now the knowledge will never be lost. So thanks to Mao, it’s all over because he forbid it to be practiced whatever his thinking was.
– No, it’s interesting. We’re the same history in kung fu. My grandmaster finally opened up the closed fist, and shared with non-Chinese students ’cause he realized it was going to die, and the legacy wouldn’t continue so they had to share it, and here I am being a torchbearer of a tradition that comes from Yellow Dragon Monastery in China because they had to get out to save their lives, and then they realized the only way to save this living, breathing tradition was through humans.
– Yeah, we call it the lineage carrier in the traditional feng shui so you’re a lineage carrier because if you didn’t carry the knowledge forward, and like I teach, and I’ve been teaching for 16 years. If I didn’t, in the United States, at least I’m here on this side of the world. Blonde hair and Texan passing on. We’re not in those tradition. We’re not in those culture but we’re carrying on the lineage, and it’s really important. This is knowledge that helps people. This is knowledge that makes a difference like you said.
– Yeah, well, listen. God bless you for doing it. I’m glad you followed that curiosity, and listened to your friend. Yeah, yeah. Someone’s gotta carry this so how can people get ahold of you? How can people study this? Find your other books?
– I have a website. They can find all the information on the website. My books are not self-published but they’re all over. They’re in Barnes and Noble, BarnesAndNoble.com, even Walmart and Target.com carry my books, and if you go to my website, it has my email address. And this is the third one.
– [Pedram] This is your third book?
– Oh you faded out.
– Yeah. Sorry, you got a little choppy at that last bit. Just say that last bit again.
– Yeah, you said it out. Yeah, this is the third in the series.
– [Pedram] Got it, got it. Okay, and your website is?
– All right, excellent. Well, thank you so much for being here. I love what you’re doing, and one of these days, I’m gonna invite you out to come to my house, and make sure I’m doing everything right over here.
– [Denise] I’d love to, thank you. Namaste.
– Namaste. Thank you. And for those of you out there, let me know what you think, and I will see you next time.